Eh, you don't need the tabs they're over rated... and they fall off... I think 
mine are still in the bottom of a box some where... a 6 pack get's em!
Jamie

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From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Duross
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Mixed-Use Code Question

Thanks.  My take is the owner got the chance for an early sale as a
commercial condo and wants to take it.
I wrote the gc that I thought the implications to spkr. and fa design might
effect the rest of the building and they might want to reconsider the quick
sale and factor in the details.  I just wrote them back and referred to
John's (and others) clarifications (thanks again) and put together a fast
budget of density, concealed space, and pipe size changes (type v
construction btw) and also a heads up for the plumber and electrician's
changes.  Looks like a go even with the additional costs associated.

Tom

For you seasoned users of this code, new to us 3/1/09, where did you get
your tabs and supplements?  I'm still at the highlighter and dog-ear stage
and trying to bone-up quick.


In IBC land, there is Separated and Non-separated mixed use. Non separated,
your entire building would be full 13.  In separated mixed use, as long as
the ratings meet the required separations or "separate buildings" of the
code, (including horizontal) you can use 13 for the lower area and 13R for
the upper.  There has been some contention on the designation of a separate
building and a horizontal fire barrier, but this configuration has met the
intent of the code in the jurisdictions I've dealt with.
Jamie Seidl

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