Ron,

I felt compelled to point out the code requirements. Unlike your analogy
there are those that actually test waterflow switch and deem it a vane type
waterflow test by merely moving the actuator arm couple with sprinkler
contractors who are afraid of tripping the building fire alarm by blocking
the movement of the actuator arm. Just wanted to make sure no one thought
otherwise.

Sincerely

John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official
Red Bank, NJ 

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Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Concurrent Testing

John,

I was just throwing out hypotheticals and not intending to be the
prophet. My point was that testing is for a purpose beyond itself and
before deciding that two tests are equivalent you have to determine
what each is looking for. Maybe the same thing, maybe the same thing
in part and maybe totally different things. A case in point would be
"a backflow test" which means exactly opposite things depending on
whether you're the sprinkler guy or the backflow guy. Procedures, as
you've shown, can help define the test and certainly proscribes the
procedure. Perhaps I should have stayed away from 72 and 25 and just
stuck to my light analogy. Are we testing for light (does it occur or
not)? Are we testing to see if the bulb is in good order? Are we
testing to see if electricity gets to the socket? Are we testing the
electrical operation of the switch? Or are we just testing to see if
the lever moves from down to up when pushed? I know every morning when
I operate my light switch whether or not the interior BPA system is up
to speed. Back a few decades ago we accidently tested what would
happen should a cascading overload occur in the Northeast due to the
failure of an overloaded shunt relay. Now that was a test.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:24 PM, John Drucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
> 2007 NFPA-72 Table 10.4.2.2(i) Test Methods
> Mechanical, electrosonic, or pressure-type waterflow device
> Water shall be flowed through an inspector's test connection indicating
the
> flow of water equal to that from a single sprinkler of the smallest
orifice
> size installed in the system for wet-pipe systems, or an alarm test bypass
> connection for dry-pipe, pre-action, or deluge systems in accordance with
> NFPA 25, Standard for the Inspection, Testing, and Maintenance of
> Water-Based Fire Protection Systems.
>
> 2007 NFPA-25 5.3.3.3
> Testing the waterflow alarms on wet pipe systems shall be accomplished by
> opening the inspector's test connection.
>
> 2007 NFPA-25 5.3.3.3.1
> Where freezing weather conditions or other circumstances prohibit use of
the
> inspector's test connection, the bypass connection shall be permitted to
be
> used.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Sincerely
>
> John Drucker
> Fire Protection Subcode Official
> Red Bank, NJ
>
>
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