Was that advice from your friend Guido. Was the name Hoffa ever mentioned? lol
Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Rating of the sprinkler escutcheon (membrane vs through) Staggered (membrane). We have passed along the '99 SBC info that Craig supplied earlier, and imagine that - he's satisfied. If that didn't work, I was going to take the advice a friend on the west coast suggested. Thanks to all. Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Key Fire Protection, Inc. (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax (731) 267-4853 cell [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin Reid Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Rating of the sprinkler escutcheon (membrane vs through) Bobby, Does the sprinkler line stagger within the wall assembly (making it a membrane penetration)? or is it a straight shot through the wall (making it a through penetration)? Bill, Could you argue that by firestopping the backside of the through penetration essentially makes the escutcheon side a membrane penetration? I know that "technically" this is not the case but you would have a strong argument for intent of the code. We must remember that the alternative is attempting to classify the escutcheon as having some sort of rating (which it does not have) or attempting to fire stop around the semi-recessed assembly (which I am pretty sure violates the listing of the head. Not 100% sure about this though, any remarks from manufacturers out there?). Or, lastly, completely penetrating the wall, turning up to an upright and firestopping both sides (which I am sure the architect would be thrilled about). On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Back to the original question - it looks like you have > through-penetrations of fire rated separation walls in each case. > Room sprinklers fed off a bullhead tee, in the case of the stair you > are going from the corridor to the stair. Neither is a membrane > penetration, both would be through-penetrations. The current version > of the IBC (712.3.2) and my 1999 BOCA (714.1.6.2) limits the metal > escutcheon to the membrane penetration case only. > > Bill Brooks > > William N. Brooks, P.E. > Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc. > 372 Wilett Drive > Severna Park, MD 21146 > 410-544-3620 Phone > 410-544-3032 FAX > 412-400-6528 Cell > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Rating of the sprinkler escutcheon > From: "Bobby Gillett" <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, April 28, 2009 10:56 am > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Our situations - we have a hotel designed to 13R that requires our > cpvc piping to be run through a fire rated wall between two units with > 4.0K residential semi-recessed sidewall heads spraying into both > units. The other is the extended coverage 8.0K semi-recessed sprinkler > spraying into the stairwell (also fed by cpvc from the corridor). The > question being asked by the fire marshall - What is the fire rating of > the escutcheons? > > > > Bobby Gillett > > Sr. Project Manager > > Key Fire Protection, Inc. > > (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax > > (731) 267-4853 cell > > <mailto:[email protected]> > [email protected] > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected]<to%3asprinklerforum-requ...@fire sprinkler.org> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected]<to%3asprinklerforum-requ...@fire sprinkler.org> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
