better yet, put it at the top of the channel and it becomes your new  
point of measurement for distance below ceiling.

Roland

On May 17, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Thom McMahon wrote:

> Just an adder to what Ken said. The 3000sf design area has to be  
> used in all
> adjacent areas, so if the area above the TJI's is occupied that to  
> must be
> designed with 3000sf.
> Pretty much if you see TJI's anywhere you have a 3000sf design area.
>
> Thom McMahon, SET
> Firetech, Inc.
> 2560 Copper Ridge Dr
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> Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Parsley
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> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:08 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: 24" TJI Wood Joist
>
> Phil,
>
> In the annex of the 2007 edition is something that might help:
>
> A.8.5.4.1 Batt insulation creates an effective thermal barrier and  
> can be
> considered the ceiling/roof deck when determining distances between
> deflector and ceiling. The insulation needs to be installed in each  
> pocket
> (not just above the sprinkler) and attached to the ceiling/roof in  
> such a
> manner that it will not fall out during a fire prior to sprinkler  
> activation
>
> Based on this, if you had three inches of batt insulation, at the  
> top of the
> joist channel, it could be regarded as the effective "deck" above the
> sprinkler deflector, which could then be located 1" down from the  
> bottom of
> the CWJ, and remain 22" down from the face of the insulation.
>
> Additionally, it's a possible solution would be to provide a layer  
> of non-
> or limited-combustible materials on the bottom of the composite wood  
> joists,
> forming a non-sprinklered combustible concealed space above. The  
> caveat
> there is that it forces the remote area below to increase to 3,000  
> square
> feet.  You do get to reduce the density, but you still have to  
> calculate
> 3,000 square feet.
>
> Those are some thoughts on what you can do.
>
> PARSLEY CONSULTING
> Ken Wagoner, SET
> 760.745.6181 voice
> 760.745.0537 fax
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> e-mail
> www.ParsleyConsulting.com <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com> website
>
>
> Phil Nawrocki wrote:
>> Sirs,
>>
>> We have a contract to install fire sprinklers in a building with 24"
>> deep TJI composite wood joist construction.  They are 24" on center.
>> I can find nothing in NFPA #13 deflector rules that allow the
>> sprinkler deflector under obstructed construction to be below 22"  
>> from
>> the deck.  Is there any other way to protect the area besides putting
>> a sprinkler in each 24" wide joist space?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phillip H. Nawrocki
>> Design Manager
>> National Fire Sprinkler, Inc.
>> 1544 W. Grant St.
>> Phoenix, AZ 85007-3314
>> (602) 712-1180 Phone  Ext #33
>> (602) 712-1260 Fax
>> [email protected]
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