Nope, still here........I find the exposure to different situations, experiences, and professional opinions to be very valuable.
Kevin Law, PE Bechtel National, Inc. Waste Treatment Project Fire Protection Engineering Work (509) 371-3280 Cell (509) 531-5715 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: walk in Ovens When this group bashes PE's to any level they are not talking about you, me and the others on this board. They are talking about the burros as you called them. By definition a PE that subscribes here is OK. I know that wasn't in the confirm email you got when you subscribed. We might have a spirited debate but still OK. Also we as a group try to avoid the PE vs contractor debate at all costs. But we are humans with typical slightly better than average failings. So as long as you keep subscribing you are OK. Not sure what happens if you took the chance an unsubscribed. Chris Cahill, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. 763-658-4483 763-658-4921 fax Email: [email protected] Mail: P.O. Box 69 Waverly, MN 55390 Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW Waverly, MN 55390 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Law, Kevin W Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: walk in Ovens OUCH! That hit a little close to home. I understand that change orders are the way to make bank in the subcontract world, but must we be so hostile to each other. I don't pretend to know everything (there is simply too much for anyone to know it all) and am willing to learn from any reliable source. But if the PE is a "burro" about things I can see letting them have all the rope they want to hang themselves. But do you really want to do that to the owner, it is not his fault. Kevin Law, PE Bechtel National, Inc. Waste Treatment Project Fire Protection Engineering Work (509) 371-3280 Cell (509) 531-5715 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: walk in Ovens Let the PE put it in writing, draw it like he says, if the AHJ has a problem with it, you get an extra to change it. (I am but a humble Layout technician who works at the direction of the PE, so says the SFPE white paper. I am not qualified to question the PE on "Design" application.) Like everything else, the owner will end up paying for any mistakes the PE makes. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 Greg McGahan What about industrial ovens? The Engineer is saying that is they are not occupied then he doesn't think sprinklers are warranted. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
