How about starting by shutting off the domestic supply?  A well maybe?  If
that doesn't start you towards it, you may have found the fountain of youth.

Ed Vining

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:54 PM, James J. Toth, SET <[email protected]>wrote:

> Is it possible that there is a water tank on site at an elevation of about
> 50 ft? That would give you about 25 psi at grade. I have seen some building
> with old tanks concealed in the building the a new owner never knew he had.
>
>
>  James J. Toth, SET
>
>  67 East Washington Street
>  Chagrin Falls, OH 44022-3028, USA
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Law, Kevin
> W
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:14 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Puzzling problem
>
> You haven't left the valves shut for the night have you (sounds like
> something I might forget to do ;) )
>
>
> Kevin Law, PE
> Bechtel National, Inc.
> Waste Treatment Project
> Fire Protection Engineering
> Work  (509) 371-3280
> Cell    (509) 531-5715
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:08 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Puzzling problem
>
> >From what device is the water running?  Where on the system?  Could you
> have an ACV hung open and the water is coming from a draining sprinkler
> system?
>
>
> Craig L. Prahl, CET
> Fire Protection Specialist
> Mechanical Department
> CH2MHILL
> Lockwood Greene
> 1500 International Drive
> PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
> Direct - 864.599.4102
> Fax - 864.599.8439
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> http://www.ch2m.com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ford,
> Charles
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:04 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Puzzling problem
>
> We have a new customer with repair problems. To do the repair, we shut
> off the water in the outside pit. We still can't drain the system. Clear
> water runs at about 25 PSI. We called in the water purveyor and they
> shut it off at the street. Same results unchanged. We have examined the
> original site plans showing only one connection.
> Water purveyor has checked their plans and agrees. Obviously there is
> another connection, whereabouts unknown to anybody. Any suggestions on
> how to proceed? We could freeze the line for the repair, but would
> prefer to locate this other connection.
>
> C. Burton Ford
> Designer- NICET Certified: Fire Alarm,
> Special Hazards, Sprinkler Design
> &Sprinkler Inspections
> NFPA CFPS
> Cintas Fire Protection-D-47
> Warminster, PA 18974
> Phone 267-487-1000
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