You make reference to incompatibility with some UL listed products. I think UL is developing a cedibility problem. UL lists smoke detectors which independent testing shows do not work in a fire. When questioned, UL vigorously defends their listing of the ion smoke detectors as fire officials across the country are lobbying to remove their approvale from the fire and building codes. Central Oring sprinklers were UL listed and 35 million were recalled. Reliable Model A and others were also UL listed. Then we look at the CPSC website of recalled items, many are UL listed.
Eventually the media will do a thorough examination of UL and all the money they get through their listing services. I attended a meeting and heard testimony from 2 fathers that lost their college daughters in an off campus fire. The building was unsprinklered but provided with ion smoke detectors listed by UL. They believe the detectors did not activate until it was too late. Kidde wrote letter to the state building board staying support for requiring photo detectors, but people are misled by the UL listing every day when they go to the store and buy these ion smoke detectors with the UL approval. Forest Wilson Project Manager Cherokee Fire Protection Co. 3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 Dayton OH 45434 ph: 937-376-2333 fx: 614-455-4324 cell: 937-307-5647 . 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If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. at 888-347-3079 toll free. -----Original Message----- From: Top Myers <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:00:11 -0500 Subject: RE: Incompatible products with CPVC Having read this string of emails it is like the story of the eight blind me describing an elephant. We all know what we know and feel but only have some of the picture and my biggest single complaint with CPVC is all the manufacturers have enjoyed cashing the checks of contractors who buy their product but have not been there to help with many of the problems, have not educated the general contractors, design professionals and AHJ's as to how to properly install CPVC and avoid issues. As a result we are seeing more and more contractors and property owners quietly using alternative products. This is unfortunate as CPVC is a great product which deserves better more realistic honest marketing. Some simple facts: - CPVC problems are not only one manufacturer - I have discussed with all major manufacturers and they have not been able to identify one job where problems came from cutting oil - Some of biggest losses involve fire stop listed for use with CPVC by UL but on Lubrizol incompatible list - Extra stress by hangers UL listed has contributed to losses - put light coating of solvent on fitting and more on pipe and you will not have paddling inside pipe which can cause cracks - Cat 5 wire can cause problems laying on CPVC. Solution is to keep wire off pipe and make sure everyone knows this CPVC can be installed without problems and our industry needs it. We need help and less marketing from the manufacturers and Lubrizol. Top Myers RelMark Group 961 Pottstown Pike Chester Springs, PA 19425 Office 610-321-2415 Cell 610-952-0965 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd - FPDC Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Incompatible products with CPVC The issue seems to be more when used with steel as opposed to on it's own. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2009, at 7:36 PM, "Terri Leyton" <[email protected]> wrote: > When will someone challenge the listing of the product? Whose > problem is it, if the product is properly approved and listed for > use by "approving agencies"? > > Just asking the question out loud. No opinion or advice being given. > T > > Terri Simmons Leyton > PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING > Ph: 858-751-2930 - ext. 101 > Fax: 858-751-2933 > Cell: 619-871-8450 > > Show class, have pride, and display character. 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