I'm not an IBC expert, so I don't know if there is an equivalent to this there, but NFPA 101 does require the removal of certain parts of the system.
>From the 2006 edition 4.6.12.3* Existing life safety features obvious to the public, if not required by the Code, shall be either maintained or removed. A.4.6.12.3 Examples of such features include automatic sprinklers, fire alarm systems, standpipes, and portable fire extinguishers. The presence of a life safety feature, such as sprinklers or fire alarm devices, creates a reasonable expectation by the public that these safety features are functional. When systems are inoperable or taken out of service but the devices remain, they present a false sense of safety. Also, before taking any life safety features out of service, extreme care needs to be exercised to ensure that the feature is not required, was not originally provided as an alternative or equivalent, or is no longer required due to other new requirements in the current Code. It is not intended that the entire system or protection feature be removed. Instead, components such as sprinklers, initiating devices, notification appliances, standpipe hose, and exit systems should be removed to reduce the likelihood of relying on inoperable systems or features Benjamin Young Sprinkler Designer Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. [email protected] On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Fletcher, Ron <[email protected]>wrote: > Agreed, bad Juju. But when the owner gets the quote for install new > $$$$$, remove old $$$$$, haul off old $$$$, they almost always choose > the leave the existing in place. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron > Greenman > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: abandoned pipe > > I don't think this is a problem, just bad Juju. Quoted text from Ron > Fletcher: "I heard that we had the inspector scratching his head > trying to figure it out." How about the IT inspector? How about just > quality of workmanship? I used to be an electrician when young and I > was always the troubleshooter. Being young I didn't realize that the > more complicated the problem the job security I had, but rather spent > a whole lot of energy being peeved at electricians that abandoned > wiring and left it in place. You could spend days chasing wires to > nothing looking for the cause of a dead circuit. Being generous those > wires might be useful 2% of the time. Empty conduit buried behind > walls could be useful as freeway through inaccessible spaces but > abandoned wires were always the wrong color or size or insulation type > or.... Same with abandoned sprinkler pipe. It's just a scrap metal > bank that doesn't collect interest. If you don't need recycle it. If > it's not recyclable toss it. Leaving old pipe is like taking a dump in > your friends living room. > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > > Load is not a problem. This is an old concrete high-rise built i two > > parts between 1896 and 1930. Lots of over-design. > > > > > > > > At 09:32 AM 4/8/2010, you wrote: > >>Would this create a building weight load problem? Will the building > support > >>all of this weight? > >> > >>Chris Payne > >>FPS > >>Owensboro, KY > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] > >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Fletcher, Ron > >>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:24 AM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: RE: abandoned pipe > >> > >>Some years ago we did an upgrade/replacement and abandoned the > existing > >>system in place. We even used some of the old mains as trapeze hangers > >>for the new mains. I wasn't there but I heard that we had the > inspector > >>scratching his head trying to figure it out. I sent a picture into FPC > >>Magazine for the "What's wrong with this picture" and was put in the > >>mag. It looked awful but we could find no apparent code violation. > >> > >>Ron Fletcher > >>Aero Automatic > >>Phoenix, AZ > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] > >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd > >>Williams > >>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 5:57 AM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: abandoned pipe > >> > >>I was looking at a job yesterday where a new system had been > >>installed about 15 years ago. Prior to that, they had a partial > >>system which was capped off an abandoned above the new ceiling. (the > >>new system provided coverage where the old system had previously). > >>The old system still has sprinklers installed. I told the contractor > >>that the sprinklers had to be removed. My question is does the pipe > >>need to be removed as well? I couldn't find any specific code > >>references for either. The job is in MA. Thoughts? > >> > >>Todd G. 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