I'm with you Todd. I couldn't not have said it better. It's no different than the various pricing you see on a sprinkler job itself. There are many sprinkler contractors that either don't have the experience, the overhead, the abilities, etc. and their prices are much different than the guys that have been in the business for years with great employee benefits and lots of seasoned veterans on staff.
It all has to do with value not price. Cliff Whitfield, SET Fire Design, Inc. 3784 Holly Ridge Trail Marianna, FL 32448 www.fire-design.com-----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:56 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org; tm...@mfpdesign.com Subject: Re: Salary Travis, next 4 head job I get, I'm thinking of you. I take the opposite approach. I keep my pricing formulas private. I don't want my clients to know how I figure it. This way I have control over it. There are some 200 head jobs in a 20000 sqft building that require a lot more work than others and the price should reflect that. Also, there are some problematic architects/engineers/GCs that have a higher cost of doing business with. I want to be able to factor that in as well. Plus there are other intangibles that I may want to include (travel, etc) If anyone wants a quote on a job, I am more than happy to oblige. At 10:44 AM 5/24/2010, you wrote: >It depends on what the design house is being hired for. I do much of my >work out of state, or out of the country. For those, a site survey is >impractical. For projects that use the BIM process, then we readily >incorporate into that as I draw in Autosprink which is fully 3D. For >local projects where a site survey is required, then we readily perform >those as it is included in the pricing structure. > >I don't know that pricing per head is necessarily wrong. I offer a $X >per head or $0.x / sq ft, whichever is less expensive to the client. My >regular customers know my per head costs and the sq ft cost is based on >a sliding scale that is done with an excel spreadsheet. My customers >know my price before they bid the job. So far, it seems to have worked >out well. Remember, just as in installation, the customer is paying for >a level of service that they want and/or need. > >On 5/24/2010 7:26 AM, craig.pr...@ch2m.com wrote: > > It has not been uncommon for some design houses to not even do > model coordination. They get the architectural plan and do their > design based on that alone. All coordination with other trades is > done in the field. These type places are all about production, > they base fees on the number of heads on the drawing so systems are > over designed. > > > > What some companies fail to understand is that for the most part, > if you underpay someone or find someone who works cheap, it will > probably cost you more in the long run. > > > > > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > > Fire Protection Specialist > > Mechanical Department > > CH2MHILL > > Lockwood Greene > > 1500 International Drive > > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > > Direct - 864.599.4102 > > Fax - 864.599.8439 > > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > > http://www.ch2m.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of tom poisal > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:24 PM > > To: sprinklerforum > > Subject: Salary > > > > The salary results have been tabulated from the NICET web site, for > > designers without formal training and nicet certification, vs those with, > > college degree's, and it seems that according to my Linkin frens plus > > contractors, most companies want to recruit a CET, proficient in some sort > > of CAD program be it; AutoSPRINK or SprinkCad, and pay bottom dollar for > > this person and want a capable design project manager, field survey person, > > design technician, etc. all for under 50K a year. What is the > "going" rate ? > > > > On an aside I was just told by a major designer (free lance) > that they do > > NOT site survey for ease of installation, it is coordinated via > AutoCad. Go > > figure! > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860.535.2080 www.fpdc.com _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
