NICET is going to attach electronic exhibits to the questions that require
reference materials not allowed in the test room. It is my understanding that
the only books allowed will be 13, 13R and 13D, no handbooks and no calculator.
An electronic calculator will be available on the computer screen.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic
Phoenix, AZ
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 7:02 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Physical Science :)
Someone can steal your car no matter what steps you take. Does that mean you
leave it unlocked with keys in it while parking on the streets of the city?
For the certification process to be meaningful, the integrity of the system
must be maintained within applicable requirements. And to test ability to do
calcs, and apply fundamental formulas, you must prove that without software-
just as experienced folks can size up a system at a site without a
calculator by KNOWING how the variables work with each other. That doesn't
come from inputting data and pushing a button, any more than inputting data
and pushing a button proves an understanding of the fundamental equations.
So, NO, you can't use all your tools.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Physical Science :)
Sure, it's a time consuming process to update and change, but really, we
should be able to use the tools we use on a regular daily basis in the
execution of our job. Anyone here still doing their drawings with ink on
fabric, doing grid calcs on a pad with a pencil? Doubt it, you wouldn't be
in business.
Cheaters will always find a way to cheat no matter what methods or
procedures are in place.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
CH2MHILL Extension 74102
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Physical Science :)
Its not as easy as it sounds to change a 30-year old certification program
as you might think.
While it's a PIA to drag around all the reference materials, you must also
appreciate the numerous concerns and integrity requirements and restrictions
faced by any testing agency. They need to prevent theft of test questions,
they need to make sure you are using a hand calculator rather than allowing
the possibility you'll run a calc program on a PC or programmable
calculator, that you know where to look things up based on familiarity with
the references rather than rely on a word search, etc.
NICET is moving along with PC-based testing at readily accessible testing
centers nationwide, with open scheduling and instant results. It's a large
undertaking with substantial volunteer contribution to make it work. To
speed it along, participate and donate your time and energy to the industry
that puts food on your table.
NICET is also facing some competition in the market which may or may not
produce other streamlining of the process, but it is what it is and the
integrity of the process demands checking and validating the changes, and
that all takes time. Think of the 4 years +/- some of us have been involved
in the process, lugging ourselves to Alexandria, and -not to sound like the
proverbial schoolteacher, but I remember borrowing references from the
Atlanta fire marshal so I had to spend Fri afternoon going downtown, lugging
the books to the car, getting familiar with them Fri night, and lugging them
to the exam and on Monday AM back to City Hall. It builds character and
memories, like then-mayor Andrew Young getting in the elevator with me Fri
and observing what a fun weekend I must be stocking up for :)
glc
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Physical Science :)
Really, all of our codes are now in digital format. Much easier to search
and cheaper for the company. NICET needs to come into the 21st century with
this. It's just crazy lugging 30-40 lbs of reference books to a test. Had
one test that was on 2nd floor and had to tote the load up the stairs. Just
plain ridiculous.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
CH2MHILL Extension 74102
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Physical Science :)
And don't forget to put index tabs on your references and take a
dictionary with you.
What are they going to do when al this stuff is on our iPads?
At 06:39 PM 11/2/2010, you wrote:
Same here, Brian. Of course I'm so old that when I took it with me
it was only one volume, not two.
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On 11/2/2010 2:46 PM, Jamie.seidl wrote:
The fire protection handbook. It's all I used.
Jamie
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 2, 2010, at 5:08 PM, "Brian
Harris"<[email protected]> wrote:
Any recommendations for good reference material for the Physical Science
portion of the Nicet test?
Brian Harris
First Defense Fire Protection
11957 Ramah Church Road
Huntersville, NC 28078
Phone: 704.948.3506
Fax: 704.948.3507
Nicet # 128476
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