Sorry but when doing in-depth code analysis', there is no way you
could find every bit of information needed in a tabbed book versus
doing a digital search unless you have all the time in the
world. There is stuff buried in these texts that is not in the
index and unless you've stumbled across it before and tagged it,
you'd never find it.
Digital is here, now, not waiting for the next generation.
As far as the question concerning why NICET uses particular
versions, it is probably due to the amount of work involved with
reworking a test. Plus not all jurisdictions jump on the new
Standard immediately upon its publication. I still have many
jurisdictions using the 2002 NFPA 13 and had one earlier in the year
that was still on the 1996 version. It would be a significant task
to develop a new test each time a new standard came out.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection
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Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Physical Science :)
We old timers are used to paper, but the next generation will
probably be much more geared to digital. Somehow NICET and others
will need to adapt. Agencies are not going to continue print issues
just for some open book testing agency. I agree that finding
information in a tabbed text is still a lot quicker than a computer
search. But perhaps testing agencies will have to provide computer
access to certain reference materials as a part of the computer
testing procedure.
Brian, as far as your question, I have wondered that as well. Perhaps
they use a random number generator
At 09:21 AM 11/3/2010, you wrote:
>Here's a question for some of you veterans, how does NICET come up with what
>year code will be on the test? I don't get why some of these codes are 2,3,
>and greater revisions behind the current one....
>
>Brian Harris
>FDFP Inc.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
>Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:22 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Physical Science :)
>
>Its not as easy as it sounds to change a 30-year old certification program
>as you might think.
>While it's a PIA to drag around all the reference materials, you must also
>appreciate the numerous concerns and integrity requirements and restrictions
>faced by any testing agency. They need to prevent theft of test questions,
>they need to make sure you are using a hand calculator rather than allowing
>the possibility you'll run a calc program on a PC or programmable
>calculator, that you know where to look things up based on familiarity with
>the references rather than rely on a word search, etc.
>
>NICET is moving along with PC-based testing at readily accessible testing
>centers nationwide, with open scheduling and instant results. It's a large
>undertaking with substantial volunteer contribution to make it work. To
>speed it along, participate and donate your time and energy to the industry
>that puts food on your table.
>
>NICET is also facing some competition in the market which may or may not
>produce other streamlining of the process, but it is what it is and the
>integrity of the process demands checking and validating the changes, and
>that all takes time. Think of the 4 years +/- some of us have been involved
>in the process, lugging ourselves to Alexandria, and -not to sound like the
>proverbial schoolteacher, but I remember borrowing references from the
>Atlanta fire marshal so I had to spend Fri afternoon going downtown, lugging
>the books to the car, getting familiar with them Fri night, and lugging them
>to the exam and on Monday AM back to City Hall. It builds character and
>memories, like then-mayor Andrew Young getting in the elevator with me Fri
>and observing what a fun weekend I must be stocking up for :)
>
>glc
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>[email protected]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:56 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Physical Science :)
>
>Really, all of our codes are now in digital format. Much easier to search
>and cheaper for the company. NICET needs to come into the 21st century with
>this. It's just crazy lugging 30-40 lbs of reference books to a test. Had
>one test that was on 2nd floor and had to tote the load up the stairs. Just
>plain ridiculous.
>
>Craig L. Prahl, CET
>Fire Protection
>CH2MHILL
>Lockwood Greene
>1500 International Drive
>Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
>Direct - 864.599.4102
>Fax - 864.599.8439
>CH2MHILL Extension 74102
>[email protected]
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
>Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:08 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: Physical Science :)
>
>And don't forget to put index tabs on your references and take a
>dictionary with you.
>
>What are they going to do when al this stuff is on our iPads?
>
>
>At 06:39 PM 11/2/2010, you wrote:
> >Same here, Brian. Of course I'm so old that when I took it with me
> >it was only one volume, not two.
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> >On 11/2/2010 2:46 PM, Jamie.seidl wrote:
> >>The fire protection handbook. It's all I used.
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> >>On Nov 2, 2010, at 5:08 PM, "Brian
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> >>>Any recommendations for good reference material for the Physical Science
> >>>portion of the Nicet test?
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