Hey George, you are correct about Mr. Caputo he was in Perris, France the last time I talked to him giving a class out there. It was news to me at that time about his place in NFPA. As far as the other information, the AHJs have been getting a lot of help out here in California by various groups including the Task force set up by the State Fire Marshal and I believe Steve Layton, was a big part on the contribution part of it, do not want to speak for him, but I know he has been waste hi in it. He has provided very good presentations on the way the California Residential Code is a laid out and the conservativeness of the tables and the simplicity if one chooses to use.
The other part to all of that is I know in my neck of the woods is that unless the AHJs pay for the training the locals are on there own to pay for it, (travel, burn vacation time ect). There are some, will not mention who, believes it is just a day to get out of work, sad but true. Another part is beyond the sprinkler portion and is the debate about service connection fees from the water districts and metering. For the most part at least in the 19 contract cities that we have seen I have had only 2 that are still insisting on a double meter set regardless of the application chosen for the home. No logic has really been placed other than uniformity. The down side to that is the cost and every thing the sprinkler advocacy has fought for to keep prices down to show the affordability. In most of the meetings I attended there was not one water purveyor in the group, even though they had been invited to attend. Probably thought it was going to be torches and pitch forks, when it is more of just a meeting of the minds. 2 cents worth, maybe less Todd Letterman Fire Prevention Engineer CFPS Riverside County Fire Department "Fire never sleeps" (951) 955-5273 FAX (951) 955-4886 [email protected] " Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass but learning how to dance in the rain" -----Original Message----- From: George Church [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 5:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Residential "Room Design Method"? I believe Mr Caputo is under contract with NFPA to respond to requests for interpretation, and that agreement precedes Mr Lake's departure to NFSA. As a TC member he can give his opinion, but unless the TC considered it, it is not "official". I've used TC member informal opinions often and rarely encounter resistance. I've also submitted responses from the Forum- both supporting and opposing my position- to an AHJ so he can see the responses. I also explain who the respondents are, so the credibility of the source can be considered. We're strong proponents of AHJ training. I was frustrated by seeing only a competitor or two at Convention and/or other seminars so if they don't want to learn the code (and changes to it) then teach em to the AHJs so THEY Can inform them in plan review and inspection. We've got about 20 or 25 coming tonight to a firehouse (that we obtained use of for free) from 6-8 PM for pizza and an intro to Residential Sprinklers, trying to de-mystify them and show how simple they are. Afterward, attendees are invited to see a 13D installation we did last week (with associated media coverage) which is a mile down the road. If we all reach out to do this once a month, even once a quarter, we'll eventually have a group of people who may not understand it all, but they've got the basic understanding that Res Spkrs are not intimidating, unaffordable, ugly, or something that will drown you. We have a very long way to go, and the sooner we start working the crowd, the sooner we'll get sprinklers "elected". Stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution! A projector, laptop, and a PPT is all you need. Borrow a projector if you need to, but go and do SOMETHING! glc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Letterman, Todd Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Residential "Room Design Method"? He is now a fill in for Jim Lake of NFPA. Todd Letterman Fire Prevention Engineer CFPS Riverside County Fire Department "Fire never sleeps" (951) 955-5273 FAX (951) 955-4886 [email protected] " Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass but learning how to dance in the rain" -----Original Message----- From: Forest Wilson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Residential "Room Design Method"? I think that NFPA is forwarding emails they receive through this system to select committee members. That is why you were under the impression that Caputo is NFPA. He is a committee member, not a representative of NFPA. (unless something has changed). On 11/2/2010 5:23 PM, Forest Wilson wrote: > You need to be a member to receive an informal interpretation from the > AFSA or NFSA. > Is Bob's letter to you a formal interpretation or informal? > It was my understanding that single committee members do not have > standing to issue formal interpretations, only the committee could. > > > > > > On 11/2/2010 5:05 PM, Carrol Glimstad wrote: >> I did go that route... I instead received a response from Mr. >> Caputo with NFPA >> and he informed me that per 2002, "...the small rooms rule is not >> applicable to >> the design consideration for residential occupancies." Unless I am >> wrong, (which I frequently am) although he (Roland) is a committee >> member of the TCC for NFPA, he is with AFSA. Trust me, I would LOVE >> to get an "official" response from Mr. Huggins! How would I go about >> getting one from AFSA (i.e. Roland) ? >> But I do think I will forward some excerpts of this thread and see >> where that gets me. (probably nowhere that I want to be...) >> Carrol Glimstad >> Sierra Fire Design >> 916.475.4928 >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]"<[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]> >> Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 12:59:44 PM >> Subject: RE: Residential "Room Design Method"? >> >> NFPA has an email accounts setup for all NFPA codes where you can submit >> questions and receive code interpretations and technical answers. >> The format is >> setup as [email protected]. Replace the # with the code you are >> inquiring about. For example, if you have a question related to the >> sprinkler code, you would submit your question to [email protected]. >> >> Then Roland can 'officially' respond. >> >> Duane Johnson, PE >> Program Manager >> Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) Office of Research >> Services National Institutes of Health >> 301-496-0487 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email >> to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > -- Forest Wilson Project Manager Cherokee Fire Protection Co. 1855 Bellbrook Ave Ste C Xenia OH 45385 ph: 937-376-2333 fx: 614-455-4324 www.cherokee-fire.com Visit our blog: www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com ******************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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