Not this one. He has publicly called me incompetent. His interpretation is always right. He has said that the exception to the 18" below deflector rule for general storage when the shelving is against the wall as long as the deflector is not over the storage (ceiling tall storage if against the wall) doesn't apply because the fire department shoots their hose water over the tops of the shelves (apparently against blank walls). He has said that the code doesn't know what it means when it says to measure distance from a wall perpendicularly because that means the water won't get in the corner because it's more than 7.5 ft measured diagonally and then cites Pythagoras as his authority. And of course AFSA informal interpretations are always "WRONG" because they're informal.
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:21 AM, David Autry <[email protected]> wrote: > "I've had an AHJ whose never been to a committee meeting, or even know he > was > talking to a committee member" > > > Sounds like a good opportunity to sponsor some training for the AHJ. > > > > David Autry > > Meininger Fire Protection Inc. > 2521 W L St. Suite No.4 > Lincoln, Ne 68522 > Voice (402) 466-2616 > Fax (402) 466-2617 > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Residential "Room Design Method"? > > You might show them the latter part of the thread and a copy of the > book with Roland's name in it. This may not work though. I've had an > AHJ whose never been to a committee meeting, or even know he was > talking to a committee member (not me for this one) say Roland was > misinterpreting the intent of the code. Those folks that Cecil alluded > to having a why don't you discussion (jack and Ken) also have some > firepower when it comes to explaining what was meant. > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Carrol Glimstad > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Yup, it was printed in 2004, unfortunately that's the only "white paper" > that I >> see regarding Residential and it's posted on their website. Think a bit > of >> updating might be in order! :) >> Carrol >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Roland Huggins <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 9:24:00 AM >> Subject: Re: Residential "Room Design Method"? >> >> well it didn't occur in 02 so it wouldn't be in OLD Tyco data. As others > have >> pointed out, the explicit reference in 13:11.3 is all the fire power one > needs. >> >> Roland >> >> On Nov 2, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Carrol Glimstad wrote: >> >>> Makes perfect sense to me! But, BUT what do I do when I look to NFPA to > give >>>me >>> some fire power to help with convincing my plan reviewer and "they" come > back >>> with the response that small rooms are NOT allowed to be considered in >>> residential applications? I guess I'm assuming that when the sprinkler > head's >>> manufacturer's cut sheet states " a minimum discharge of 0.1 GPM/sq. ft. > over >>> the "design area" comprised of the four most hydraulically demanding >> sprinklers >>> for actual coverage areas protected by the four sprinklers.", that > "actual" >>> means ACTUAL. Yes, my head is 10 feet off of two walls, but my flow > table on >>>my >>> LFII cut sheet tells me that I can and that I'm gonna hit that back wall > as >>>long >>> as I have the flow and pressure to back it up. But my actual coverage > area is >>> NOT 400 sq. ft.! Not even close. >>> >>> It doesn't help my situation either when in the Tyco white paper on >> "Residental >>> Sprinklers Used in NFPA 13, 2002 Applications", the author makes NO > reference >>>at >>> all to 8.6.2.1.2. He only cites the S x L rule for determining coverage >> areas. >>> (big sigh...) >>> >>> Carrol Glimstad >>> Sierra Fire Design >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. 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