And as you were just shown in your example that is not a viable solution. I like simple. Searching thru the 1.2million other codes/standards for a definition that may or may not work based on context takes up too much day.
R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis Automatic Fire Sprinklers Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318-816-1087 Mobile 318-387-1163 Facsimile [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline > >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:30 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: concealed space definition > > > >Matt, > > > >If there are any other NFPA codes with definitions, I use those first. A > >good example for ceilings is NFPA 72-- It tells how to figure the slope > >of > >curved ceilings. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Matthew J. Willis [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:24 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: concealed space definition > > > >He asked for a Formal Definition. NFPA 13 does not have one. Chapter 3 > >tells > >us to use Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 11th edition (3.1) > >So from Merriam Webster Online: > > > >conceal > >: to place out of sight <concealed himself behind the door> > > > >space: > >a : a limited extent in one, two, or three dimensions : distance, area, > >volume > > > >R/ > >Matt > > > >Matthew J. Willis > >Automatic Fire Sprinklers > >Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. > >318-387-1134 Voice > >318-816-1087 Mobile > >318-387-1163 Facsimile > >[email protected] > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > >> >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline > >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:16 PM > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >Subject: RE: concealed space definition > >> > > >> >You bet-- there was a quite a bit here recently about it-- wasn't an > >Arch > >> >trying to symantic his a$$? > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:04 PM > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >Subject: RE: concealed space definition > >> > > >> >No, that's not always the case as there are several references within > >> >NFPA > >> >13 dealing with a concealed space that has limited access. So the > >space > >> >may have access and still be a concealed space. > >> > > >> >Typically a concealed space is one that does not permit occupancy or > >> >storage, has limited or no access, and whose area is not readily > >viewable > >> >from the occupied space. > >> > > >> >Craig L. Prahl, CET > >> >Fire Protection > >> >CH2MHILL > >> >Lockwood Greene > >> >1500 International Drive > >> >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > >> >Direct - 864.599.4102 > >> >Fax - 864.599.8439 > >> >CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > >> >[email protected] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: [email protected] > >> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad > >> >Casterline > >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:05 PM > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >Subject: RE: concealed space definition > >> > > >> >Concealed: > >> >Rendered inaccessible by the structure or finish of the building. > >> > > >> >NFPA 73-2006 3.3.6 > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Todd Williams [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:48 PM > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >Subject: concealed space definition > >> > > >> >Is there anywhere in 13 where a concealed space is defined? I have > >some > >> >idiot architect that is insisting on a formal deinition > >> > > >> >Todd G. 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