Note that there is nothing about accessibility, occupiability or storage in this NFPA 96 definition.
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Barry Clarke <[email protected]> wrote: > NFPA does publish a "Glossary of Terms" and has a listing for concealed > space taken from NFPA 96. > > "That portion of a building behind walls, over suspended ceilings, in pipe > chases, attics, and in whose size might normally range from 1" stud spaces > to 8 ft interstitial truss spaces and that might contain combustible > materials such as building structural members, thermal and/or electrical > insulation, and ducting." > > > Barry Clarke > Summerland, B.C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew J. > Willis > Sent: March 29, 2011 2:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: concealed space definition > > And as you were just shown in your example that is not a viable solution. I > like simple. Searching thru the 1.2million other codes/standards for a > definition that may or may not work based on context takes up too much day. > > R/ > Matt > > > > > > Matthew J. Willis > Automatic Fire Sprinklers > Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. > 318-387-1134 Voice > 318-816-1087 Mobile > 318-387-1163 Facsimile > [email protected] > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- >> >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:30 PM >> >To: [email protected] >> >Subject: RE: concealed space definition >> > >> >Matt, >> > >> >If there are any other NFPA codes with definitions, I use those first. A >> >good example for ceilings is NFPA 72-- It tells how to figure the slope >> >of >> >curved ceilings. >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Matthew J. Willis [mailto:[email protected]] >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:24 PM >> >To: [email protected] >> >Subject: RE: concealed space definition >> > >> >He asked for a Formal Definition. NFPA 13 does not have one. Chapter 3 >> >tells >> >us to use Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 11th edition (3.1) >> >So from Merriam Webster Online: >> > >> >conceal >> >: to place out of sight <concealed himself behind the door> >> > >> >space: >> >a : a limited extent in one, two, or three dimensions : distance, area, >> >volume >> > >> >R/ >> >Matt >> > >> >Matthew J. Willis >> >Automatic Fire Sprinklers >> >Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. >> >318-387-1134 Voice >> >318-816-1087 Mobile >> >318-387-1163 Facsimile >> >[email protected] >> > >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >> >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- >> >> >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:16 PM >> >> >To: [email protected] >> >> >Subject: RE: concealed space definition >> >> > >> >> >You bet-- there was a quite a bit here recently about it-- wasn't an >> >Arch >> >> >trying to symantic his a$$? >> >> > >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >> >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:04 PM >> >> >To: [email protected] >> >> >Subject: RE: concealed space definition >> >> > >> >> >No, that's not always the case as there are several references within >> >> >NFPA >> >> >13 dealing with a concealed space that has limited access. So the >> >space >> >> >may have access and still be a concealed space. >> >> > >> >> >Typically a concealed space is one that does not permit occupancy or >> >> >storage, has limited or no access, and whose area is not readily >> >viewable >> >> >from the occupied space. >> >> > >> >> >Craig L. 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