Wait a minute. I think the horse moved! It's not quite dead yet. Keep beating. 
(apologies to PETA, SPCA and all other animal rights groups)
. 

At 04:38 PM 4/4/2011, you wrote:
>I have to agree with you.
>
> 
>
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom
>Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:54 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Design solution needed
>
> 
>
>There's your answer! Tell the GC you'll save him $70,000 if he's just
>willing to make the kitchen part of the restaurant less than 600SF.
>Another Win-win?
>
>Man's getting a brain transplant. He says I want an architect's brain. The
>Dr. asks why? Man reply's, because it's never been used.
>
>No really, now that you know it would cost $70,000 for the underground
>up-grade, your pump and tank price just became $85,000. He'll save $15,000
>by doing the underground.
>
>Enough said please end this and let's start something NEW!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim
>Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:54 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Design solution needed
>
>Dividing the kitchen might help for room design method, I did a calc. and
>the most heads that I was able to make the system work was 6.
>
>
>
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
>[email protected]
>Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:47 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Design solution needed
>
>
>
>That's because it is only referring to hose stream allowance and duration.
>But the rooms cannot be adjacent so to break a kitchen into two 400 sq. ft.
>rooms would mean there would have to be a room of lesser hazard between
>them.  Doubt you're going to be able to break up a kitchen that way and make
>it still work.  Plus that reference doesn't mean you can change the
>occupancy to a lesser occupancy, Kitchen still equals OH no matter what.  It
>will never be an LH.
>
>Craig L. Prahl, CET 
>Fire Protection
>CH2MHILL
>Lockwood Greene
>1500 International Drive
>Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
>Direct - 864.599.4102
>Fax - 864.599.8439
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> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [
><mailto:[email protected]>
>mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim
>Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:42 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Design solution needed
>
>Yes but it does not say anything about density.
>
>
>
>From:  <mailto:[email protected]>
>[email protected]
>[ <mailto:[email protected]>
>mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]
>Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:36 PM
>To:  <mailto:[email protected]>
>[email protected]
>Subject: RE: Design solution needed
>
>
>
>Maybe referring to 12.7.2?
>
>Craig L. Prahl, CET
>Fire Protection
>CH2MHILL
>Lockwood Greene
>1500 International Drive
>Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
>Direct - 864.599.4102
>Fax - 864.599.8439
>CH2MHILL Extension  74102
> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[ <mailto:[email protected]>
>mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland
>Huggins
>Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:27 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: Design solution needed
>
>where are you getting the idea that you can divide the kitchen into
>two 400 sf compartments and legitimately call it light hazard?  Pipe
>type and hose demand is allowed to use LH (though for hose demand, the
>rooms can not be adjacent so that nixes reducing it).
>
>Roland
>
>On Apr 4, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Joel Chaim wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of offering them to divide the kitchen area into 2
>> compartments
>> less than 400 sq ft. this way we can utilize the same hazard as the
>> dining
>> area my question can we lower the density to .10 as well because
>> NFPA states
>> that regardless if utilize the hose demand or not you still need to
>> calc.
>> 1500 sq ft. even the room is less.
>>
>
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