Because retrofits, as you know, are very expensive, and try to get a loan for putting in sprinks. Now if I were doing a general remodel I'd certainly include them in the budget. And for me they'd be cheaper than for the many reading this. I don't know how many here can design and seal their own plans, have a materials account, and the requisite fitter's skills, or own a sprinkler company. And if a general is involved in a remodel they'll be stepping hard on the sprinklers even though they'll blame the high price on the sprinks while whining about not making money. There's a reason that when you go to get a contractor's license you have a special line to stand in (everybody else goes to a general business license line) and have to post a sudstantial bond, or why I'm right this minute listening to an L&I radio ad giving me, the consumer, hints on how to keep from getting ripped off by a contractor. Hard to imagine in this age of concern for honesty & integrity over greed & avar ice, but it does happen.
Ron Greenman ...On the phone On Apr 17, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Michael Fitz <mf...@mde.com> wrote: > A more important statistic that this forum should determine and use for sales > work - what percentage of the members don't live in a sprinklered house and > why? How can we sell it to a homeowner, contractor or city council if we > don't practice what we preach? > > Michael M. Fitz, P.E., C.F.E.I., C.F.P.S. > MDE Inc. 700 S. Industrial Way, Seattle, WA 98101 > Home Office P.O. Box G, Shelton, WA 98584 > 206-321-1804 > > > On 4/17/2011 2:03 PM, Stewart Kidd wrote: >> That's why I spent 20 years of my life training people to use fire >> extinguishers - train them at work, save them at home. I even trained expat >> kids in Hong Kong and Saudi Arabia. >> >> Of course sprinklers are the ideal but what percentage of US homes have them >> - and you have installing them for 40 years - we've only be doing it for 15. >> >> Stewart >> On 17 Apr 2011, at 17:24, Ron Greenman wrote: >> >>> Stewart, >>> >>> Just my advice. Ever watch someone with no training fiddle for many >>> seconds just trying to break the seal and then shooting agent at the >>> top of the flames. The intuitive thing to do is pull instead of twist >>> and to attack the flame instead of the fuel. Unfortunately the >>> intuitive thing is, like trying to break a fall buy putting out your >>> hands out instead of collapsing, twisting and spreading the fall out >>> across lots of bouncy leg, butt, and shoulder muscle instead of thin >>> skin and inflexible bone, wrong. I've voluntarily jumped out of >>> perfectly good airplanes, dumped motorcycles, fallen off small cliffs >>> and roofs and have been bruised and battered but never broken. >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Michael Fitz<mf...@mde.com> wrote: >>>> Easy answer for that - I installed a sprinkler system. (And I am a fire >>>> professional) >>>> >>>> Michael M. Fitz, P.E., C.F.E.I., C.F.P.S. >>>> MDE Inc. 700 S. Industrial Way, Seattle, WA 98101 >>>> Home Office P.O. Box G, Shelton, WA 98584 >>>> 206-321-1804 >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/17/2011 9:00 AM, Stewart Kidd wrote: >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>>> Would this include running if you have a stove top fire in your kitchen >>>>> and your house is 35 minutes response time from the nearest FD unit ? >>>>> >>>>> Stewart >>>>> On 17 Apr 2011, at 15:55, Ron Greenman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Scot, >>>>>> >>>>>> Rules of thumb I use regarding fire extinguishers: >>>>>> >>>>>> Untrained--run >>>>>> Trained layman--run if fire is bigger than you >>>>>> Trained fire professional--run, there are too few to risk/spare >>>>>> Firefighter--your call >>>>>> >> > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6050 (20110417) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
