Stewart, Spent a lot of training time myself and it's paid off a couple of times when the twelve year old used an extinguisher on an oven fire (overkill but better safe...) and the same son about ten years later used one on a brush fire before it took off. Knocked down enough so that when my other son got some water over to the site the we were able to overhaul his work successfully.
Ron Greenman ...On the phone On Apr 17, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Stewart Kidd <stewart-k...@ndirect.co.uk> wrote: > That's why I spent 20 years of my life training people to use fire > extinguishers - train them at work, save them at home. I even trained expat > kids in Hong Kong and Saudi Arabia. > > Of course sprinklers are the ideal but what percentage of US homes have them > - and you have installing them for 40 years - we've only be doing it for 15. > > Stewart > On 17 Apr 2011, at 17:24, Ron Greenman wrote: > >> Stewart, >> >> Just my advice. Ever watch someone with no training fiddle for many >> seconds just trying to break the seal and then shooting agent at the >> top of the flames. The intuitive thing to do is pull instead of twist >> and to attack the flame instead of the fuel. Unfortunately the >> intuitive thing is, like trying to break a fall buy putting out your >> hands out instead of collapsing, twisting and spreading the fall out >> across lots of bouncy leg, butt, and shoulder muscle instead of thin >> skin and inflexible bone, wrong. I've voluntarily jumped out of >> perfectly good airplanes, dumped motorcycles, fallen off small cliffs >> and roofs and have been bruised and battered but never broken. >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Michael Fitz <mf...@mde.com> wrote: >>> Easy answer for that - I installed a sprinkler system. (And I am a fire >>> professional) >>> >>> Michael M. Fitz, P.E., C.F.E.I., C.F.P.S. >>> MDE Inc. 700 S. Industrial Way, Seattle, WA 98101 >>> Home Office P.O. Box G, Shelton, WA 98584 >>> 206-321-1804 >>> >>> >>> On 4/17/2011 9:00 AM, Stewart Kidd wrote: >>>> >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> Would this include running if you have a stove top fire in your kitchen >>>> and your house is 35 minutes response time from the nearest FD unit ? >>>> >>>> Stewart >>>> On 17 Apr 2011, at 15:55, Ron Greenman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Scot, >>>>> >>>>> Rules of thumb I use regarding fire extinguishers: >>>>> >>>>> Untrained--run >>>>> Trained layman--run if fire is bigger than you >>>>> Trained fire professional--run, there are too few to risk/spare >>>>> Firefighter--your call >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 3:06 AM, å... ....<eurekaig...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Statistics we can use...thanks for those! >>>>>> >>>>>> Fire extinguishers can work, but >>>>>> if the facility is valuable and not occupied 24/7... >>>>>> >>>>>> Fluorinated-foam and dry chem will be corrosive on sensitive equipment. >>>>>> De-ionized Water mist and "clean-agent" are alternatives, although >>>>>> if the clean-agent contains fluorine, I am betting >>>>>> what is marketed as "clean" today will be billed more >>>>>> realistically >>>>>> after 20 years of history. >>>>>> >>>>>> If we have the courage to encourage occupants to use portables, >>>>>> then how fine a line is it in our minds to allow >>>>>> an occupant to choose to use a hose line? >>>>>> >>>>>> scot deal >>>>>> excelsior fire >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>>>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>>>> >>>>>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>>>> to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org >>>>>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ron Greenman >>>>> Instructor >>>>> Fire Protection Engineering Technology >>>>> Bates Technical College >>>>> 1101 So. 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