And don't let me forget that.

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Rod DiBona <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks Roland. This is how we will proceed.  Didn't see your post before my
> reply went out. Bill, I know you would need a lot more information but I
> certainly don't expect you or anyone on this forum to do a full analysis for
> me. I already owe Ron G. a double at the next convention, it wouldn't be
> respectful of your time or anyone else's to ask for that much work. Thought
> I would just get everyone's opinion before the call.
>
> Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:24 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: building code tradeoff
>
> what George said with the following comments.
>
> We have a history of actually doing the system "design" (used in a non-
> engineering reference but in compliance with NFPA 13) that we have a hard
> time NOT doing it. That is the EOR's job.  Now as a valuable team member
> with applicable knowledge, one should bring it to the attention of the EOR
> (well AOR since we are talking about an architect) then ACCEPT their
> decision.  Now naturally you do it in writing so when the AHJ rejects it,
> you are covered.
>
> Having said that, a general code discussion is always entertaining.
> There seems to be multiple problems with the planned approach.  The biggie
> has already been stated (regarding protection throughout in order to get a
> trade-off).  On that same issue, there are also significant restrictions on
> applying trade-offs fro sprinklers when one applies the reduction on fire
> rating.
>
> Partial protection is a code issue is NOT defined by NFPA 13
>
>
> On May 27, 2011, at 3:01 AM, George Church wrote:
>
> > Are you asking:
> > what is proper protection under the IBC as a minimum?
> > What is required under #13?
> > What is the scope of work that you are to include in your bid?
> >
> > From the sound of your question, you're the BCO and wondering whether
> > to accept this protection strategy; however, I'll bet you should focus
> > on what they've asked for you to provide.
> > DON'T take on the role of the EOR, the Architect has defined the work
> > as he sees it in his professional opinion. You're not entitled to one.
> >
> >
> > George L.  Church, Jr., CET
> >
>
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