Thanks George,
Over here we do not have "Hose Monster" (to my knowledge) although I have had a 
look and understand that it measures pressure and full flow on single or 
multiple connections. 
I will look into this piece of kit a bit further now that I am aware of the who 
and what.

For the posed question are we right to think there are distinct stages?

1) Check the pump has the closed head pressure that was there at the handover.

2) If we are testing at the common pipe location we think we will need to know 
by way of written hydraulic calculations exactly what pressure and flow is 
anticipated at the location.

3) If we are testing at the end of the line, then we propose that 'to be 
correct', they both need to be tested concurrently so that the sum of both, 
equals the design criteria requirements and the readings should be below 
(because you have more than requirements) or at least on the pump curve line. 
We agree with you and it is worth emphasis that the pressure at the common pipe 
prior to the split for roof and rack is very important information, in that it 
enabled the balancing calculations that were carried out and can also be 
subsequently validated.

4) Dropping the flow off for system 1 and then measuring the flow at system 2, 
we think this is a balancing act because as you open up system 2 it will change 
what is happening at the pre-set system 1, which will create iterative testing 
as one adjustment after another impacts on the combined systems pressures and 
flows.

Has anyone actually concurrently tested a dual system (1 and 2)? 

A further thought; to do this inside warehouses using "Hose Monster" seems to 
be an impractical proposition having due regard for:
a)      Hoses should be short
b)      The expulsion of large volumes of water
c)      It must be cost effective'.

Regards
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: George Church [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: 20 September 2011 13:32
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Design criteria check

If you're asking why I think you're asking, it may require two separate flows, 
one at the end of the in-racks, one at the end of the roof system. Throttle 
flows to balance and replicate the design flows against each other, and you'd 
have the "bucket test" for a commercial application I think you're seeking.

Could also go back to the split, if there's not a separate riser, and do a 
combined flow, but that wouldn't provide the end of line verification. If they 
are separate risers, you could drop the flow off system 1 and do end of line 
verification off system 2; then switch. Only one flowmeter needed in this 
arrangement, main drain flow via pitot or hose monster, verification of 
residual at base of riser pressure gauge.

I've only had a half up of java, so verify I'm correct!


George L.  Church, Jr., CET  
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE       570-837-6335 fax
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Binkley
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Design criteria check

When a fire pump is designed for roof and in rack protection (operating
together) how can the end of line design criteria be verified? Has anyone ever 
done this?

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