Where do I get the budget to go on a drunken spending spree with OP money? When do I get the the step rauses I've earned and are mandated by law, both the extra, on my time, work and continuing education I am REQUIRED to do and that earn then supposedly earn me a raise. I am paid two steps below my actual grade and will soon be promoted another step with increased responsibilities and no commensurate pay raise. Then there's the COLAs that have not been funded since way before 2008. Yes indeed, I'm living large on the public teat. But of course there's those ridiculously over compensated benefits that make up for it like my 401K retirement plan, and the insurance with continually rising employee contributions, deductibles, and co-pays. And the mandatory furloughs. I love being forced to take off days I can't afford. Sure am glad I love to work (no sarcasm in that statement) 'cause without the side work I couldn't afford the increasing tuition it's costing to put my kid through school. Sure do have it easy as a public employee. I feel for you suckers. Sorry Steve, you hit the exposed nerve.
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>wrote: > Thanks all - we got this one covered. Seems that a unified school > district here in San Diego County had a paranoid operations manager some > time back who required that lightning strike protection be retrofitted > on ALL schools in the district. Those equipped with sprinklers got > bonded ... never mind that we haven't had a building struck by > lightning here in, I dunno like, FOREVER. I guess he came from > Oklahoma or someplace where it's an issue. > > If I were to be reincarnated, I hope it will be as a public employee. > That way, I could go on drunken spending sprees with money that I don't > really have to account for and buy stuff that I don't really need. > That would be fun. > > SML > > No offense intended to the diligent public employees who subscribe to > this forum, of course. :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland > Huggins > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Grounding > > 13: 10.6.8*In no case shall the underground piping be used as a > grounding electrode for elec- > trical systems. > > A.10.6.8.1While the use of the underground fire protection piping as > the grounding elec- > trode for the building is prohibited, NFPA 70requires that all > metallic piping systems be > bonded and grounded to disperse stray electrical currents. Therefore, > the fire protection piping > will be bonded to other metallic systems and grounded,but the > electrical system will need > an additional ground for its operation. > > > Bonding is being connected to the ground system. The sprinkler system > (specified for the underground portion) can not be used as a ground > system. The last time I looked (more than a few days now) NEC said > that all metal piping capable of becoming energized shall be > grounded. That typically is interpreted as ALL. Must confess I > haven't dug through the nasty details since it hasn't been a common > problem. > > Roland > > > On Oct 11, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Ron Greenman wrote: > > > NEC requires all metal to be bonded, not grounded (semantics sort of > > since > > both go to earth, but there is a difference between bonding and > > grounding). > > I'd look it up but have to go to a meeting. > > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Travis Mack, SET > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> There is a local jurisdiction here that requires it. He tells me > >> it is in > >> the NEC. > >> > >> > >> On 10/11/2011 2:58 PM, Steve Leyton wrote: > >> > >>> Assuming it's in there somewhere, where does 13 and or 24 speak to > >>> attaching bonding or grounding wires to sprinkler systems? > >>> Question > >>> posed to me today and I had to admit that I don't know ... hate > >>> it when > >>> that happens. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Steve Leyton > >>> > >>> PROTECTION DESIGN& CONSULTING > >>> > >>> > >>> 2851 Camino del Rio South, Suite 400 > >>> > >>> San Diego, CA 92108 > >>> > >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**- > >>> > >>> Ph: 858.751.2930 - ext. 102 > >>> > >>> Fax: 858.751.2933 > >>> > >>> Cell: 619.972.5696 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>> URL:<http://fireball.**firesprinkler.org/mailman/** > >>> private/sprinklerforum/**attachments/20111011/20e3d0e9/ > >>> > **attachment.html<http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/spri > nklerforum/attachments/20111011/20e3d0e9/attachment.html > >>> > > >>>> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.**org/mailman/listinfo/ > >>> > **sprinklerforum<http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/spri > nklerforum > >>> > > >>> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org <[email protected]> > >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.**org/mailman/listinfo/ > >> > **sprinklerforum<http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/spri > nklerforum > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Ron Greenman > > Instructor > > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > > Bates Technical College > > 1101 So. 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