Charles. I know. I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the AHJ, and using that as an example of equating something like banana (a noun) with traction (a verb), or all those erroneous if this's then that's. Sorry if you thought I was saying you didn't know s**t from Shinola. <Happy Face Here>
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Mike Hill <[email protected]> wrote: > While I understand the frustration factor of having to go through something > like this, I disagree with John. If you can explain/teach in a civil manner > and allow the inspector to see his mistake on his own, you may very well > gain an ally on future projects. If that does not work, he always has a > supervisor (even if you have to make your way up the ladder to the State > FM). I have used both methods effectively in the past. > > Mike Hill > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John > O'Connor > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:16 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: How would you address this? > > The problem as I see it, is an inexperienced individual with no knowledge > of > what he is inspecting, has been put in a position of authority with the > power to OK or reject our work. This is and always be unacceptable in the > eyes of good sprinkler contractors. Is it our job to educate our > overseers? > I think not. > John O'Connor > Nashville > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Smith, > Steven > D. (CSFD) > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 8:47 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: How would you address this? > > Quite honestly, I'm a bit disappointed with some of the responses from the > "SME's" with this forum. It's easy to poke fun at someone behind closed > doors. My guess is that most if not everyone here didn't know much more > than > this inspector when they first started in the business. I sure didn't. > > Being an AHJ myself, I would personally appreciate it if a knowledgeable > contractor were to approach me with a different way of thinking. This is a > prime opportunity to create a relationship with the inspector that may help > you out in the future. Showing that the contractor cares about doing the > job > right and showing how that's done could go a long way. > Then maybe a follow up phone call to his supervisor, not to get the > inspector in trouble, but to inform the supervisor of what transpired and > how it was resolved. Granted, you may have to gauge how the inspector would > receive all of this and base your actions on that. > > As I mentioned, this could be a great opportunity to show how professional > you are and the quality of your work. Especially if sprinkler companies and > AHJ's alike wish to install more of these systems in homes. Unfortunately > there are far too many contractors out there that aren't professional and > have poor quality that will make it easy for decision makers to keep > sprinklers out of homes. > > Just my 1/2 cent. > > Steve Smith > Colorado Springs Fire Department > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis > Mack, > SET > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: How would you address this? > > This was a first for me to day. During an inspection of a residential > system today, the AHJ inspector would put a dot on the floor and run his > > tape in a circle at the spacing limit of the heads. He would not sign off > on the system because the heads were 8' off of each wall, but with the > radius, that leaves a "dry" spot in the corner of the room. He did the > same > thing in rooms with multiple heads. The heads were 16' apart. > > There were 4 heads in this room. He would draw circles on the floor of an > 8' radius. Since there was not overlap of his circles, he would not pass > the system today. > > Has anyone ever encountered this? How did you address it? This is a new > inspector and he admits that fire sprinklers are not his specialty, but he > has to do this job. > > -- > Please feel free to call if you have any questions or comments. > > Sincerely, > > Travis Mack, SET > MFP Design, LLC > 2508 E Lodgepole Drive > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > Office (480) 505-9271 > Fax (866) 430-6107 > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 1522/3951 - Release Date: 10/14/11 > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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