Did they cite a specific chapter and verse for that decision?

Craig L. Prahl, CET   
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: fire pump suction piping - flushing

Sent it NFPA20

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin
Reid
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 9:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: fire pump suction piping - flushing

Just curious... did you talk to the NFPA 20 rep? or the NFPA 24 rep?

Justin Reid

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Dewayne Martinez
<[email protected]>wrote:

> NFPA confirmed that the UG is to be flushed per NFPA 20.
> Thanks,
> Dewayne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:33 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: fire pump suction piping - flushing
>
> AFSA members can get an informal interpretation for free by contacting

> tech services in Dallas- Tom W, Phil B, or Roland usually respond 
> pretty quickly.
>
>
> George L.  Church, Jr., CET
> Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
> PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
> 877-324-ROWE       570-837-6335 fax
> [email protected]
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Kramer
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:55 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: fire pump suction piping - flushing
>
> You may have to seek an interpretation from NFPA.  I personally don't 
> think the requirements in 20 apply to the underground supply.
>
> Ed Kramer
> Littleton, CO
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] 
> > [mailto:sprinklerforum- [email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> > Dewayne Martinez
> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:34 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: fire pump suction piping - flushing
> >
> > Under 2-9.1 Suction pipe and fittings The suction components shall 
> > consist of all pipe, valves, and fittings from the pump suction 
> > flange to the connection to the public or private water service 
> > main, storage tank......
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed 
> > Kramer
> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:17 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: fire pump suction piping - flushing
> >
> > Dewayne,
> >
> > I'm going off memory, so you probably should verify this.  I believe

> > somewhere in NFPA 20 (the 'scope' section, maybe?), it says NFPA 20 
> > requirements begin at the suction control valve.  Assuming that's 
> > correct, any piping upstream of that is not subject to NFPA 20 
> > requirements.
> > Therefore the underground suction pipe need only be flushed per the 
> > requirements of NFPA 24, not 20.
> >
> > Your mileage may vary.
> > Ed Kramer
> > Littleton, CO
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected]
> > > [mailto:sprinklerforum-
> >
> > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:03 AM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: RE: fire pump suction piping - flushing
> > >
> > > Sorry,
> > > I had the standards flipped in my original email.  I was trying to

> > > confirm of I needed to use the flushing rates from NFPA 20 
> > > (11-1.2, 99ed)not 24 for the UG supply pipe when a fire pump is 
> > > involved on a project.
> > > I have been running into opposition when trying to get the UG 
> > > contractor to flush per 20 and just wanted to make sure they 
> > > needed to.  I have a local consultant who works for many of the 
> > > AHJ's that is
> > requiring this.
> > > Dewayne Martinez
> > >
> > > Design Build Fire Protection
> >
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