We have a customer experiencing pinholes, about a dozen over 3 years, in black 
steel dry system 11 years old.
We took a water sample thru the main drain without shutting down the dry 
system, got results there's MIC.
Got 45 PSI on static, 40 PSI demand on placard, so we're not going to be 
swapping the DCDA for an RPZ and think it'll work. So we can't put the 
treatment chemicals in there. It was suggested by a vendor of the stuff that we 
could ask the water company to just allow us to keep the DCDA and use the 
stuff, I replied the water co isn't going to make your liability go away in 
court if you've got 3 sick residents, you've got burden of proof- I'd rather 
point to an RPZ and say "Not Me!". So we can't treat the pipe, leaving us with 
ultrasonic analysis on the extent of pipe wall degradation and identify how 
much existing needs to be replaced, balance cross your fingers and hope the 
$20k or so spent on an N2 Generator (or a DAP, more likely for $10k) slows the 
growth of additional pinhole producers. 

Frankly, unless your customer is in the mindset that they are looking at a 
total system replacement for a zillion dollars, the price of the treatment, for 
what you get, isn't something I'd be jumping at if compared to just fixing 
pinholes.

I have not found a better solution to their problem and while I realize this 
side of our industry is in its infancy, there's no nice answer that is thorough 
in solving the problem to offer and that bothers me. I find this hard to 
internalize and then sell, sad this is the best our industry can offer at this 
time.

So that's been my limited experience to share with Tommy, and I'd be happy to 
listen to any advice others have to offer us. I would say leaving the dry 
system in service, possibly with additional Band-Aids as needed during 
installation of parallel systems, while doing CPVC below and replacing dry or 
maybe using AF and CPVC to avoid re-installing steel. I sure don't have the 
confidence in galvanized for dry as I used to have, after replacing a whole dry 
system exhibiting 3 pinholes after only 3 years in service. It was domestic sch 
10 galv 2" lines, 3" mains, saw water in acceptance test, that's it. Pipe 
pitched properly, etc.

I believe the industry is likely heading for dry systems with black steel, and 
a DAP or N2 air supply to keep the innards clean. 


George L.  Church, Jr., CET  
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE       570-837-6335 fax
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Duross
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Changing Code Standards in an Existing Bldg. "Opinion"

I've looked into prepaid test kits for testing for MIC.  Looks like it's going 
to involve removing a section of the existing dry system piping.  Has anyone 
out there gone through testing an in-service dry system for MIC?  Has anyone 
out there developed a treatment plan for  a dry system?  I'm thinking the 
wet-dry condition changes how you treat it.  I'm also wondering if the fact 
that this building in on the seashore has any effect on this.
Thanks.
TD

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