But Todd- You're hired to just list the job? Do it. Can't see where that could possibly involve liability, but with the legal decisions one sees, I'd write a letter to the contractor you're listing for and note your concerns, list it, and send em an invoice.
Think of all the NFPA 25 inspections that are on systems that you KNOW are wrong. Send concerns in a sep letter, and check the appropriate boxes without lifting a ceiling tile- cause you don't wanna know. And suppliers aren't required to do anything but fill the POs eve if they see a load of CPVC pipe go out with a 55 gal drum of premixed wrong AF. George L. Church, Jr., CET Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jack C Kilavuz Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:44 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Wood pellet manufacturing And grinding process will involve some metals parts (nails, metal bands, screws etc.) sparking over freshly ground sawdust blown with hot air in cyclones towards the dust collectors, as a side show....explosion detection and suppression may need to be considered I reckon. Sorry for my two-bobs worth. Cheers Jack -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Thursday, 18 October, 2012 3:53 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Wood pellet manufacturing It's not al that cool, Brad. I have since found out that it is not pellets they are making. They take old pallets, grind them up and compress them in to bricks for burning (somewhere). The problem that a design was done by one of my competitors based on 16 ft storage of Class II commodities (solid stacks of lumber or plywood) and the fire marshal has accepted it. My client picked up the job and wants me to do the fabrication list from the Engineer's plans (the Engineer works for a competing contractor and is complete enough so you could actually do that, with minor modification). No need to do new plans because we have an accepted set of drawings, right? The problems I see are: 1) Pallet storage, 2) A grinding and separating process, most likely with dust collection, 3) Some kind of drying kiln, 4) Some kind of compressing with or without a combustible binder and 5) Storage of finished products. None of this, with the possible exception of #5, was addressed by the Engineer. Once these questions are answered, then the fun begins. At 09:36 AM 10/17/2012, you wrote: >You get all the cool projects Todd! How often is it that the product we >are protecting is meant to be burned? This means you have all the >thermal properties required to determine the quantity and >combustibility of the contents, AND the heat release rate! (~7500 >btu/lb, 85% burning efficiency). >If someone had not forgotten to attach numbers to low, moderate and >high in NFPA 13 you would be almost done :) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] [mailto:johnson...@mail.nih.gov] >Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:59 AM >To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >Subject: RE: Wood pellet manufacturing > >Based on 5.4.1, I would start with EH1 for manufacturing area and Class >III for storage area per 5.6.3. > >Duane Johnson, PE >Program Manager >Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) Office of Research >Services National Institutes of Health >301-496-0487 > >"Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" > >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Williams [mailto:t...@fpdc.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:29 PM >To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >Subject: Re: Wood pellet manufacturing > >Spelling is correct. The pellets are for pellet stoves. > > >At 07:37 PM 10/16/2012, you wrote: >>First thing, verify the spelling? If it is pellets, OH2 for the actual >>manufacturing area and OH4.5 and double the outside hose for the areas >>where they get bunched up awaitng shipment. What are they used for >>anyway, sling-shot amo? >> >>Quoting Todd Williams <t...@fpdc.com>: >> >>>Any insight into protecting a wood pellet manufacturing facility? >>> >>>Todd G. Williams, PE >>>Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>Stonington, CT >>>860.535.2080 >>>www.fpdc.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >Todd G. Williams, PE >Fire Protection Design/Consulting >Stonington, CT >860.535.2080 >www.fpdc.com > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum Todd G. 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