Rod, section 6.6.1 (13R 2010) may be what you're looking for. Ed Kramer
> -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Brent Zimiga > Subject: RE: Exterior closets....again but different > > Steve, > > Thank you for your response. I do agree that the contested closets are > outside the dwelling unit. I am looking but haven't found where 13R says > that areas outside the dwelling unit shall be PROTECTED by 13. I see > 6.8.2.1 that says "For areas outside the dwelling unit, the design > discharge and design area criteria shall comply with NFPA 13"....No > mention of coverage?... For example, we don't sprinkler concealed > combustible and attics in 13R which are outside the dwelling unit. So > this is the heart of the issue does chapter 8 of 13 apply? Is so where > does 13R state that it does apply for protection of areas? If it does > apply, then the 13R exemptions for other areas outside the dwelling unit > trump 13 requirements? Not trying to be difficult and this is not a big > add to the project but truly want to come to an understanding on this > one. Wonder why the closets on the decks would be exempted but not a > breezeway? Egress? Thanks! > > Rod at Rapid > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Exterior closets....again but different > > I agree with the AHJ. Exception to closets on exterior balconies > presumes they are within (or directly communicating with) dwelling unit. > If you agree that the contested closets are outside of the dwelling > unit, where is the exception in 13 that would not require sprinklers in > these compartments? Methinks you're trying to split hairs with the > "design criteria" intent argument - what do you mean by that, exactly? > If hydraulics, then the answer is yes, but 13R also states that areas > outside the dwelling unit shall be protected per 13, so I think that > Chapter 8 of 13 applies, period. > > The foregoing is my opinion only, and does not necessarily represent the > opinion or intent of the Technical Committee on Residential Sprinkler > Systems. > > Steve L. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] on behalf of Rod DiBona > Sent: Tue 2/12/2013 4:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Exterior closets....again but different > > NFPA 13R 2007- New apartment building with a breezeway on the bottom > level that is enclosed and protected with dry sidewalls. 2 closets (one > plumbing and the other electrical data) in that breezeway that only open > to the breezeway. No fuel fired equipment. No heating or air > conditioning equipment. Had it in my mind that these closets would not > have to be sprinklered. Fire marshal is disagreeing. After review I am > not so sure. Seems like the intent is to not require protection but by > the letter I can't quite get there. Am I missing something? > > 2007 NFPA 13R 6.9.6 - "Sprinklers shall not be required > in............(last sentence) ... "and other concealed spaces that are > not intended for living purposes or storage and do not contain fuel > fired equipment." - He pointed out that a closet is not a concealed > space...... Ok then..... > > 2007 NFPA 13R 6.9.7 " Sprinklers shall not be required in closets on > exterior balconies, regardless of size, as long as there are no doors or > unprotected penetrations from the closet directly into the dwelling > unit. - His point is that these closets are not on exterior > balconies.... > > He says that it is outside the dwelling unit and therefore protected by > NFPA 13. My comment is that I believe 2007 NFPA 13R only requires the > "design criteria" of 13 to be followed for areas outside the dwelling > unit. Clarified in section A.6.8.2. > > He says show me in 13R where you can exclude..... > > > Thoughts? > > > [Description: LOGO_10] > Rod DiBona > Vice President > Rapid Fire Protection > office : (605)348-2342 > fax : (605)348-0108 > cell : (605)391-3553 > www.rapidfireinc.com<http://www.rapidfireinc.com> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attach > ments/20130213/ae9e854f/attachment.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 6561 bytes > Desc: image001.jpg > URL: > <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attach > ments/20130213/ae9e854f/attachment.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: winmail.dat > Type: application/ms-tnef > Size: 4240 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attach > ments/20130212/786c66f1/attachment.bin> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
