and fire detection system in those areas where sprinklers are permitted to be 
omitted. IBC/IFC 903.3.3.1. Always keep in mind that generally the building 
must also comply with the IBC in other regards, ie synergy. 
John Drucker - Mobile Email

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From: [email protected] 
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu Mar 21 07:18:54 2013
Subject: Re: Racquet Ball Court

I believe Scot has a legitimate point here with the exception that there is 
already precedence in one or more of the Model Codes for the omission of 
sprinklers in these facilities. I recall that there are several qualifications 
required, that the sport venue be located on the ground floor with proper exits 
to outside, and the building be of Type III (non-combustable) construction. So 
possible the solutions should consider removal of the sprinklers. 
Mark at Aero 

----- Original Message -----
From: å... .... [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 09:36 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Racquet Ball Court

How about getting stakeholders to consider whether NO sprinklers will be
installed in the racquetball court based on the

   1.  low, if not insubstantial, fire loading in these rooms,
   2. low frequency of fire ignition in these rooms?

Prescriptions are prescriptions, and only on extenuating and justifiable
circumstances are we allowed to invoke common sense to make an
intervention.  Someone, somewhere in the ladder of command, is paid good
money for making decisions; should we not ask them (all of them) to
quantify items # 1. and # 2?   By putting  numbers on them (these two
items), we may evaluate our judgment as to "the need to sprinkler inside
racquetball courts."

Is asking to evaluate a life safety judgment too controversial, too
critical and perceived as too personal of a nature?  Is asking to evaluate
a decision too much a cost imposition on a salaried vocation?  The end
goal, is to provide better service to the public and users of these courts
through reasonable and appropriate judgment, with a collateral benefit of
benefiting future judgment through the examination of details in the
current and past decisions.

It seems to be,  that presently, fires starting from inside a racquetball
court have more import than fires starting in, say...many of the homes and
dwellings where we sleep.  Realizing that we in design & installation are
but one of the last links in the chain-of-events occurring when a decision
is made to include fire sprinklers,  we might still pause to consider
whether those making the first links would do better to offer the numbers
behind their "good judgment", and state how, where and whether they come
together to decide their Go/No-Go decision.


Scot Deal
Excelsior Fire/Risk Engineering
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