Stay on that box George.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:56 PM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote: > That well-rounded education is very useful in the workplace. Like the > NICET testing forcing us to look at various segments of the industry and > see it presented in a complete set of pipe charts. One sees all available > so if someone brings up or specs on something OTHER than what we all use- > sch 40, thread able LW, 10 and 7, galv and cpvc, your guy doesn't claim the > stuff doesn't exist or isn't relatively easy to get- and the be told the > plumber has a mile of it to install, 1,000 ft in stock on third floor > lockup. Prevents looking stupid. > Another benefit is knowing how to gently stop folks from doing something > stupid. Saw a guy that always designs to the latest NFPA s on a linked in > page of bitching about NICET, and using old editions. We all should know to > design to (ok PC- layout to...) the adopted standard since that's what is > basis of design. '99 13 for CMS/DOH work. > There's so much well- roundedness gives u. Knowing resi and QR heads > performance relative to SR so when a fire official with large badge says he > has dragged bodies out of sprinklered buildings (while in front of the > owner and etc) you can respond that these must have been older with SR > heads where we don't expect to save the guy in the room of origin. He > acquiesced and we did what we were hired to do. Bit more to it but we put > him in his place After months of delay. > > So formal presentation of our materials is important and you don't get it > because of the number of decades you work. > > I SO wanted to ask this guy if his boss ever objected to him applying more > restrictive (costly) solutions that may be in the adopted (contracted?) > edition? Didn't code officials object to wrong edition? Did u submit to DOH > using 2012 instead of CMS's 1999? > > I can't help but wonder why the quantum difference in level of "getting > it" between this forum and linked in wild cards. They frankly scare the > heck out of me. "I'm designing a tunnel and tank farm project that's 920,00 > sq meters and 50 Meters tall. Water or foam better, and do we need fire > alarm?" > That's a job for an FPE relaying criteria and additional support to a > level 4 with a team of 2s and 3s. Not a newbie. And that's just to > translate! > > Chemo done, soapbox off and enjoy watching my daughter abuse the clutch in > the TR6. Thanks for reading. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 1, 2013, at 1:09 PM, "Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo" < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Todd, The Standard Spray sprinkler was researched and began being used > in the late 40's on FM insured projects. The conventional sprinkler > remained the sprinkler of choice in NFPA 13 until the 1955 edition. The > research done by FM convinced the committee of the superior effectiveness > of standard spray sprinklers in most buildings being built at that time. > Credit Dr. Bryan (many on this forum know him as "Prof") in his book, > Standpipes and Sprinkler Systems for the info. This is a textbook for the > SST students at Parkland College. And the dates discussed here are part of > their general knowledge curriculum. > > > > It should be recognized that the above is my opinion as a member of the > NFPA 13 Committee, and has not been processed as a formal interpretation in > accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects and > should therefore not be considered, nor relied upon, as the official > position of the the NFPA, nor any of their technical committees. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Cecil Bilbo > > Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology > > Champaign, IL > > 217.607.0325 > > www.sprinkleracademy.com > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > OUR STUDENTS SAVE LIVES!! > > > > > >> Subject: Re: Old style deflector > >> From: [email protected] > >> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 12:44:50 -0400 > >> To: [email protected] > >> > >> No real question other than that. I was in a building with different > varieties of sprinklers and they all claim to be from 1954. There was one > section with some sprinklers with the old style small deflector (in both > pendent and upright) and was wondering if they made that design as late as > 1954. > >> > >> Todd G Williams, PE > >> Fire Protection Design/Consulting > >> Stonington, CT > >> www.fpdc.com > >> > >> On May 1, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> What's the rest of the question Todd? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Thomas Watt < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Someone in this group is likely to have the answer and an example to > prove > >>>> it. > >>>> https://www.facebook.com/Collecting.Old.Fire.Sprinkler.Heads > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Did they make heads for regular use with the old small deflector in > 1954? > >>>>> > >>>>> Todd G Williams, PE > >>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting > >>>>> Stonington, CT > >>>>> 860-535-2080 > >>>>> www.fpdc.com > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Ron Greenman > >>> Instructor > >>> Fire Protection Engineering Technology > >>> Bates Technical College > >>> 1101 So. Yakima Ave. > >>> Tacoma, WA 98405 > >>> > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ > >>> > >>> 253.680.7346 > >>> 253.576.9700 (cell) > >>> > >>> Member: > >>> ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC > >>> > >>> They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis > Bacon, > >>> essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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