David Sornsin wrote me after my week in the ICU Feb'12 that he assumed all the nurses were now sprinkler advocates and I was laying in bed in my convention uniform of khakis, blue button down and blazer. So Cathy brought the shirt and blazer for me to wear home, and Cecil got some pics we sent Dave to think that was my hospital garb. Was told I was best dressed departing patient in a wheelchair they'd ever had.
Gotta tell ya there are some genuinely wonderful folks on this Forum. I already knew that, but when I got sick there was a lot of confirmation of it. Thanks to all of you for being yourselves. Glc Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "Ron Greenman" <rongreen...@gmail.com> wrote: > Stay on that box George. > > > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:56 PM, George Church <g...@rowesprinkler.com> wrote: > >> That well-rounded education is very useful in the workplace. Like the >> NICET testing forcing us to look at various segments of the industry and >> see it presented in a complete set of pipe charts. One sees all available >> so if someone brings up or specs on something OTHER than what we all use- >> sch 40, thread able LW, 10 and 7, galv and cpvc, your guy doesn't claim the >> stuff doesn't exist or isn't relatively easy to get- and the be told the >> plumber has a mile of it to install, 1,000 ft in stock on third floor >> lockup. Prevents looking stupid. >> Another benefit is knowing how to gently stop folks from doing something >> stupid. Saw a guy that always designs to the latest NFPA s on a linked in >> page of bitching about NICET, and using old editions. We all should know to >> design to (ok PC- layout to...) the adopted standard since that's what is >> basis of design. '99 13 for CMS/DOH work. >> There's so much well- roundedness gives u. Knowing resi and QR heads >> performance relative to SR so when a fire official with large badge says he >> has dragged bodies out of sprinklered buildings (while in front of the >> owner and etc) you can respond that these must have been older with SR >> heads where we don't expect to save the guy in the room of origin. He >> acquiesced and we did what we were hired to do. Bit more to it but we put >> him in his place After months of delay. >> >> So formal presentation of our materials is important and you don't get it >> because of the number of decades you work. >> >> I SO wanted to ask this guy if his boss ever objected to him applying more >> restrictive (costly) solutions that may be in the adopted (contracted?) >> edition? Didn't code officials object to wrong edition? Did u submit to DOH >> using 2012 instead of CMS's 1999? >> >> I can't help but wonder why the quantum difference in level of "getting >> it" between this forum and linked in wild cards. They frankly scare the >> heck out of me. "I'm designing a tunnel and tank farm project that's 920,00 >> sq meters and 50 Meters tall. Water or foam better, and do we need fire >> alarm?" >> That's a job for an FPE relaying criteria and additional support to a >> level 4 with a team of 2s and 3s. Not a newbie. And that's just to >> translate! >> >> Chemo done, soapbox off and enjoy watching my daughter abuse the clutch in >> the TR6. Thanks for reading. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 1, 2013, at 1:09 PM, "Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo" < >> prodesigngr...@msn.com> wrote: >> >>> Todd, The Standard Spray sprinkler was researched and began being used >> in the late 40's on FM insured projects. The conventional sprinkler >> remained the sprinkler of choice in NFPA 13 until the 1955 edition. The >> research done by FM convinced the committee of the superior effectiveness >> of standard spray sprinklers in most buildings being built at that time. >> Credit Dr. Bryan (many on this forum know him as "Prof") in his book, >> Standpipes and Sprinkler Systems for the info. This is a textbook for the >> SST students at Parkland College. And the dates discussed here are part of >> their general knowledge curriculum. >>> >>> It should be recognized that the above is my opinion as a member of the >> NFPA 13 Committee, and has not been processed as a formal interpretation in >> accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects and >> should therefore not be considered, nor relied upon, as the official >> position of the the NFPA, nor any of their technical committees. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> >>> Cecil Bilbo >>> Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology >>> Champaign, IL >>> 217.607.0325 >>> www.sprinkleracademy.com >>> >>> ce...@sprinkleracademy.com >>> >>> >>> >>> OUR STUDENTS SAVE LIVES!! >>> >>> >>>> Subject: Re: Old style deflector >>>> From: t...@fpdc.com >>>> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 12:44:50 -0400 >>>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >>>> >>>> No real question other than that. I was in a building with different >> varieties of sprinklers and they all claim to be from 1954. There was one >> section with some sprinklers with the old style small deflector (in both >> pendent and upright) and was wondering if they made that design as late as >> 1954. >>>> >>>> Todd G Williams, PE >>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>> Stonington, CT >>>> www.fpdc.com >>>> >>>> On May 1, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Ron Greenman <rongreen...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> What's the rest of the question Todd? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Thomas Watt < >>>>> firesprinklerssaveli...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Someone in this group is likely to have the answer and an example to >> prove >>>>>> it. >>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/Collecting.Old.Fire.Sprinkler.Heads >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Todd Williams <t...@fpdc.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Did they make heads for regular use with the old small deflector in >> 1954? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Todd G Williams, PE >>>>>>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting >>>>>>> Stonington, CT >>>>>>> 860-535-2080 >>>>>>> www.fpdc.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>>>> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>>> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ron Greenman >>>>> Instructor >>>>> Fire Protection Engineering Technology >>>>> Bates Technical College >>>>> 1101 So. Yakima Ave. >>>>> Tacoma, WA 98405 >>>>> >>>>> rgreen...@bates.ctc.edu >>>>> >>>>> http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ >>>>> >>>>> 253.680.7346 >>>>> 253.576.9700 (cell) >>>>> >>>>> Member: >>>>> ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC >>>>> >>>>> They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis >> Bacon, >>>>> essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. 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