Also, and a nod to Scot here, just who decides what lower level pf
protection is actually going to provide a "modicum" of, but lesser degree
of, safety than the prescribed standard at a reduced cost. UM modelers can
parse it out but they'll increase the cost in the end. The average, let's
say NICET Level 3, FP guy doesn't have enough background info regarding how
sprinklers work (for example), actual performance criteria, to determine
whether greater spacing, or lower pressures, or..., would provide any
predictable level of safety. Might as well put up a pipe with holes in it,
or a stack of buckets by the well (an actual viable, and proven, strategy
in a low tech, low relative wealth situation). Would a 13D system provide
enough protection in say a market in Sudan to justify spending the money it
would cost to install it? Would the cost/benefit analysis matrix determine
that a full 13 system would provide a substantial value that would justify
the cost, but could not be afforded, and that a 13D system, no matter how
inexpensive, wouldn't provide enough benefit to justify any expenditure?
Then what value could be gained with the actual dollars available? Would
that be worth it? Who decides these things? Modern or traditional
construction? Would a system from a legacy code (we can go back to
standards from John Wormald, c. 1907, as being efficacious in mills of late
19th/early 20th Century timber and masonry buildings? And how much would it
cost to have someone do this analysis? The prescriptive codes are supposed
to be a minimum standard. If this is a case they are a snapshot of
the consensus of minimum at their time. Perhaps under these circumstances
one could say this building is very much like a building built to 1950s
standards of construction. What type of minimum was considered adequate for
this type of occupancy in this type of building in 1955? Wormald's standard
did not allow extra hazard coverage to exceed 60 sqft, and ordinary to
exceed 90 sqft. There was no light hazard. Something changed between 1907
and sometime before the advent of standard spray because areas of coverage
increased. What? If standards do what standards are supposed to do, reduce
costs by standardizing materials and procedures, then you may be able to
use old standards, but you need the history of how a standard was
developed, and how it's changed, to be able to determine whether it's
viable or not.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Roland Huggins
<[email protected]>wrote:

> Lets be careful in saying control the fire and property protection.  13D&R
> do indeed control the fire but provide a lower level of assurance of
> property protection.
>
> Roland
>
>
> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
> American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
> Dallas, TX
> http://www.firesprinkler.org
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>
>
>
> On Jun 20, 2013, at 5:26 AM, Trevor Spain <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > 13D and 13R systems are not designed to control a fire but strictly for
> life safety through extended egress time. I view this as useful an would
> think the goal of 3rd world systems would initially be life safety not
> property protection. Why couldn't a light commercial life safety standard
> be developed?
> >
> > Trevor Spain
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