Whether or not they "enforce" the bulletins, they are considered retroactive to ALL editions. Anyone installing a new AF system without listed solution (which doesn't exist) puts themselves in great legal peril from my understanding of the current situation. Even the "premix" on the market now no longer meets the requirements of the code. Mike Morey, SET, CFPS Sprinkler Designer BMW Constructors, Inc. O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 www.bmwc.com <http://www.bmwc.com/>
________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of Forest Wilson Sent: Mon 8/5/2013 8:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Antifreeze It's worth noting that the bulletins issued by NFPA on antifreeze affect the current edition of 13. Some states have previous versions of 13 adopted and don't enforce the bulletins. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 5, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Craig Leadbetter <[email protected]> wrote: > I really appreciate the responses. I was looking for confirmation that my > thinking was correct. I lost a couple of bid jobs recently, one which was a > modification to an existing antifreeze system, essentially tripling the > size of the system, and the other was a wet and dry system. > > I expected to lose the job that modified the antifreeze system. I talked > with the engineer prior to the bid but was told to bid what was shown and > it would be modified after the bid. > > The combination system I knew I had a good price and was surprised when it > was given to another local company (same company that is doing the other > project). Well, I was curious so I visited the job site yesterday and was > very surprised to see the antifreeze loop ( this is Northern Michigan, > Marquette area) instead of the dry system. This shed some light on the > bid. I just wanted to make sure that my thought process was correct and > that I really shouldn't be installing antifreeze systems, at least not with > what freeze point solutions are currently available. > > -- > Craig Leadbetter > Safeguard of Marquette > PO Box 116 > Marquette, MI 49855 > > (O) 906-475-9955 > (F) 906-475-5474 > (C) 906-362-5393 > > [email protected] > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Rod DiBona <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Craig, >> >> www.nfpa.org/antifreeze has the information you are looking for. Pre mix >> is the only solution that is allowed in new installs. 48% glycerin and 38% >> glycol. I don't know where Forest is putting in his antifreeze systems, >> hopefully somewhere warm but these numbers are not going to do the job >> where we are. Not to mention the liability thing which is a whole different >> topic like Cecil said. So essentially not a viable option for new installs >> in cold country. Run if they are telling you to do it. >> >> Rod at Rapid >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: [email protected] [ >> [email protected]] on behalf of Craig >> Leadbetter [[email protected]] >> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 1:27 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Antifreeze >> >> Are antifreeze systems allowed to be installed. >> >> I was understood that no one was making an approved antifreeze. Am I wrong? >> >> >> Craig Leadbetter >> >> Safeguard of Marquette >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Craig Leadbetter >> Safeguard of Marquette >> PO Box 116 >> Marquette, MI 49855 >> >> (O) 906-475-9955 >> (F) 906-475-5474 >> (C) 906-362-5393 >> >> [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
