Granted some of us have worked in areas of no/minimal seismic risk. They want them on there because it's a checkbox.
Most of my work in Florida never needed seismic and the few places that wanted it either didn't require calc's. Assuming, now we know what happens when you ass-u-me, that the minimum is sufficient. Granted when I started to work on projects more in the north and out west, as well as government work, I learned the importance of it. Sent from my iPhone Aaron M. Peck, SET Fire Protection Skype +1(202)407-9079 Cambodia +855(0)78700407 > On Feb 21, 2014, at 12:12 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> wrote: > > How do you locate per 13? How do you know what you did will work? How do > you know that 1" x 34" brace at 37 degrees to side of a beam doesn't need > to be shorter, at a different angle, or a 1 1/4" brace, without doing > calcs? 13 only tells you the general and minimal places where the braces > need to go, lateral and longitudinal, but you ned to do the work and then > prove it. Why then would you not include the calcs in your submittal? > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Locate per 13 and send a calc sheet only if required in plan review. >> >> >> >> Forest Wilson >> Fire Sprinkler Contractor >> 937-736-0425 >> >> Notice: >> This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise >> protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have >> received it by mistake, please let us know by e-mail reply and delete it >> from your system; you may not copy this message or disclose its contents to >> anyone. Please send us by fax any message containing deadlines as incoming >> e-mails are not screened for response deadlines. The integrity and security >> of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> >> Date:02/20/2014 11:36 AM (GMT-05:00) >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: seismic bracing calcs >> >> From the Piemontesi to the greasy Sicilian, with molte amore. I won't hold >> it against you that your family is from the rock of hell in the Med 'cause >> you always explain the problem so clearly. And Letyon's OK too. >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Steve Leyton <[email protected] >>> wrote: >> >>> Right - all of the above. We put the calc's on our detail sheet(s) >>> next to enlarged sketches of the proposed anchorage. >>> >>> Steve L. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Brian Harris >>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:32 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: seismic bracing calcs >>> >>> Both... >>> >>> Brian Harris, CET >>> BVS Systems Inc. >>> bvssytemsinc.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> [email protected] >>> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:27 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: seismic bracing calcs >>> >>> Seismic design category C, contractor submittal package, >>> >>> Do you provide a calc sheet for EQ bracing or just locate per NFPA 13 >>> and send typical catalog data sheets? >>> >>> FM Global project, BTW. >>> >>> Craig L. 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