Volunteer shouldn't mean no training. Delaware is almost all volunteer state-wide and they know exactly what to do with standpipes.
Benjamin Young On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>wrote: > PS: if a volunteer department, are they trained in standpipes and what > pressure nozzles, what size attack lines, etc. will they bring to the > party? > > SL > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Rod DiBona <[email protected]> > Date:03/11/2014 12:13 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipe requirement > > Thank you Craig and Pete, > > Interesting that I do an ICC online search and this is what comes up but > it is for "[ 2010 California Fire Code, Title 24, Part 9 (First Printing), > Includes Errata/Supplement through July 1, 2012 ]" > > 905.3.1 Height. In other than Group R-3 and R-3.1 occupancies, Class III > standpipe systems shall be installed throughout at each floor where any of > the following occur: > 1. Buildings where the floor level of the highest story is located more > than 30 feet (9144 mm) above the lowest level of fire department vehicle > access. > 2. Buildings that are four or more stories in height. > 3. Buildings where the floor level of the lowest story is located more > than 30 feet (9144 mm) below the highest level of fire department vehicle > access. > 4. Buildings that are two or more stories below the highest level of fire > department vehicle access. > > > In addition as Pete found it in NFPA 1 but not adopted for us..... Good > point on the fire flow reduction- In Rapid City it is amended to a maximum > of 50% in lieu of the allowed max of 75%. Will check local to see if they > allow at all considering it does say "where approved" > > Appreciate the help fellas.... Still going to suggest standpipes as best > practice. Does 30' mean 30 ' or 30' 6"? Volunteer FD, remote, rural... > > Rod at Rapid > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipe requirement > > NFPA 1 only applies if NFPA 1 is an adopted Code/Standard within the > Jurisdiction. > > IBC or IFC has 30 ft above or below FD access as the trigger. It was > probably an assumption at one time that three stories was approximately 30 > ft but there was no Code verbiage using the three story mark as a trigger. > I remember hearing the same terminology used regarding stories. > > > In regards to the fire flow reduction, be sure to verify that as being > acceptable to the local fire authority. I have had cases where the local > FD said no reduction regardless of sprinklers. Obviously they had some > concerns based on local experience. > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Group Lead > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29303 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipe requirement > > NFPA 1 - 13.2.2.2 > > Peter Schwab > VP of Purchasing & Engineering Technologies > > Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. > 222 Capitol Court > Ocoee, Fl 34761 > > Mobile: (407) 468-8248 > Direct: (407) 877-5570 > Fax: (407) 656-8026 > > www.waynefire.com > > > > Celebrating over 34 years of life safety > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Standpipe requirement > > I thought that if I have a 4 story OR the elevation of the highest floor > is 30' above or below the fd vehicle access I would need a standpipe. When > I look at 2009 IBC section 905.3.1 it only references the 30'. So I have a > 4 story apartment where the top floor is right at 30'- it doesn't look like > I need a standpipe. I just had it in my mind that once I hit 4 stories it > was a done deal. These are design build apartment complexes with S2 Parking > garage below where the architect is considering IIIA, IIIB or VB and I am > looking at the different sprinkler options for each. Looks like I can have > a 13R in the residential floors in IIIA where the other options are 13 > throughout. Is there another section that kicks it in at a 4th floor? > Maybe that was old UBC or maybe I dreamed it up. > > 905.3.1 Height. Class III standpipe systems shall be installed throughout > buildings where the floor level of the highest story is located more than > 30 feet (9144 mm) above the lowest level of fire department vehicle access, > or where the floor level of the lowest story is located more than 30 feet > (9144 mm) below the highest level of fire department vehicle access. > > Another thing I will throw out there that it looks like I had wrong... I > thought the fire flow reduction was only available for 903.3.1.1 (13 > system) but when I look at IFC section B105.2 - exception- It clearly > allows it for 903.1.2 as well. Probably common knowledge for most of you > but fyi... > > > > Rod at Rapid > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
