Volunteer shouldn't mean no training.  Delaware is almost all volunteer
state-wide and they know exactly what to do with standpipes.


Benjamin Young


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>wrote:

> PS: if a volunteer department, are they trained in standpipes and what
> pressure nozzles, what size attack lines, etc. will they bring to the
> party?
>
> SL
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Rod DiBona <[email protected]>
> Date:03/11/2014  12:13 PM  (GMT-07:00)
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Standpipe requirement
>
> Thank you Craig and Pete,
>
> Interesting that I do an ICC online search and this is what comes up but
> it is for "[ 2010 California Fire Code, Title 24, Part 9 (First Printing),
> Includes Errata/Supplement through July 1, 2012 ]"
>
> 905.3.1 Height. In other than Group R-3 and R-3.1 occupancies, Class III
> standpipe systems shall be installed throughout at each floor where any of
> the following occur:
> 1. Buildings where the floor level of the highest story is located more
> than 30 feet (9144 mm) above the lowest level of fire department vehicle
> access.
> 2. Buildings that are four or more stories in height.
> 3. Buildings where the floor level of the lowest story is located more
> than 30 feet (9144 mm) below the highest level of fire department vehicle
> access.
> 4. Buildings that are two or more stories below the highest level of fire
> department vehicle access.
>
>
> In addition as Pete found it in NFPA 1 but not adopted for us..... Good
> point on the fire flow reduction- In Rapid City it is amended to a maximum
> of 50% in lieu of the allowed max of 75%. Will check local to see if they
> allow at all considering it does say "where approved"
>
> Appreciate the help fellas.... Still going to suggest standpipes as best
> practice.  Does 30' mean 30 ' or 30' 6"? Volunteer FD, remote, rural...
>
> Rod at Rapid
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of
> [email protected]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:45 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Standpipe requirement
>
> NFPA 1 only applies if NFPA 1 is an adopted Code/Standard within the
> Jurisdiction.
>
> IBC or IFC has 30 ft above or below FD access as the trigger.   It was
> probably an assumption at one time that three stories was approximately 30
> ft but there was no Code verbiage using the three story mark as a trigger.
> I remember hearing the same terminology used regarding stories.
>
>
> In regards to the fire flow reduction, be sure to verify that as being
> acceptable to the local fire authority.  I have had cases where the local
> FD said no reduction regardless of sprinklers.   Obviously they had some
> concerns based on local experience.
>
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:20 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Standpipe requirement
>
> NFPA 1 - 13.2.2.2
>
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:09 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Standpipe requirement
>
> I thought that if I have a 4 story OR the elevation of the highest floor
> is 30' above or below the fd vehicle access I would need a standpipe. When
> I look at 2009 IBC section 905.3.1 it only references the 30'. So I have a
> 4 story apartment where the top floor is right at 30'- it doesn't look like
> I need a standpipe. I just had it in my mind that once I hit 4 stories it
> was a done deal. These are design build apartment complexes with S2 Parking
> garage below where the architect is considering IIIA, IIIB or VB and I am
> looking at the different sprinkler options for each. Looks like I can have
> a 13R in the residential floors in IIIA where the other options are 13
> throughout.  Is there another section that kicks it in at a 4th floor?
> Maybe that was old UBC or maybe I dreamed it up.
>
> 905.3.1 Height. Class III standpipe systems shall be installed throughout
> buildings where the floor level of the highest story is located more than
> 30 feet (9144 mm) above the lowest level of fire department vehicle access,
> or where the floor level of the lowest story is located more than 30 feet
> (9144 mm) below the highest level of fire department vehicle access.
>
> Another thing I will throw out there that it looks like I had wrong... I
> thought the fire flow reduction was only available for 903.3.1.1 (13
> system) but when I look at IFC section B105.2 - exception- It clearly
> allows it for 903.1.2 as well. Probably common knowledge for most of you
> but fyi...
>
>
>
> Rod at Rapid
>
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