Good point about standards  to follow Todd.

On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:49 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> I agree with Ron and Todd.  They pretty much summed up the path you should
> take if that is possible.
>
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> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd - Work
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:45 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: A 6 stroy building sprinklered without Alarm Check Valve and
> Jocky Pump
>
> Reza,
>
> What Ron said is good. I would also say that if you use NFPA standards,
> you will get a system that works. A lot of what is in them has come from
> research or forensic analysis so there is a track record. Stick with a
> design based on NFPA 13, 14, 20, 22, 24 and whatever else is appropriate.
> Keep in mind, these are standards, not codes.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Todd G Williams, PE
> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> Stonington, CT
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>
> > On May 28, 2014, at 10:17 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Reza,
> >
> > You don't need an alarm check valve (ACV). A riser consists of a
> > single control valve, a check valve, a gauge on the system side of the
> > check valve (and preferably another on the supply side), a main drain,
> > a means to alarm (flow switch), and a means to initiate the alarm. An
> > ACV juste incorporates all these in one device.
> >
> > You should have a check valve, a control valve and a mean to drain the
> > floor. You should also have a flow alarm on each floor.
> >
> > The fire pump needs a jockey and a skid with pump, jockey, and
> > controllers is likely to be better and more reliable than a field built
> set-up.
> >
> > Sleeping rooms of hotels are always light hazard, as are
> > assembly/meeting areas, with service areas being OH1.
> >
> > Water tank, if you're only concerned with the sprinklers, is the
> > density times the design area plus inside hose stream times the
> duration. Example:
> > (0.1 gpm x 1500 sqft + 150 gpm) x 30 min = 9000 gallons. If your
> > potential discharge rate is greater then I'd multiply that plus the
> > hose stream times thirty. If you need to consider standpipe
> > requirements then that needs to be added.
> >
> > I'm sure you'll get differing opinions of minimum but under the
> > circumstances you describe, especially considering the lack of
> > regulation, the available dollars, and the likely quality of
> > installation expertise in Iraq....
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Reza Esmaeili <
> [email protected]>wrote:
> >
> >> Dears All,
> >> I know this question may be very cheap, but there is no codes in my
> >> country and I have to design a cost effective sprinkler system which
> >> just works, I don't need to comply any codes. By the way, I am living
> >> in Iraq, I would like to know the most cost-effective sprinkler
> >> system that can be designed for a 6 stories hotel/office building
> >> which needs about 60 sprinkler heads.
> >> - is it accessory to instal a wet alarm valve? Can i delete wet alarm
> >> valve and use a control valve with flow switch at each floor?
> >> - Can i use only a single electric driven fire pump instead of an
> >> expensive complex booster pump set?
> >> - What is the minimum water tank size I should consider?
> >>
> >> Note: The buildings don't have parking lot, so I consider it as a
> >> light hazard occupancy (0.1 GPM/ft2 over 1500 ft2).
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks & Regards,
> >> Reza
> >> Etalon Security
> >> Erbil / Iraq
> >> +964 750 961 5318
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