Good point about standards to follow Todd.
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:49 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with Ron and Todd. They pretty much summed up the path you should > take if that is possible. > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Group Lead > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29303 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd - Work > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: A 6 stroy building sprinklered without Alarm Check Valve and > Jocky Pump > > Reza, > > What Ron said is good. I would also say that if you use NFPA standards, > you will get a system that works. A lot of what is in them has come from > research or forensic analysis so there is a track record. Stick with a > design based on NFPA 13, 14, 20, 22, 24 and whatever else is appropriate. > Keep in mind, these are standards, not codes. > > Best of luck. > > Todd G Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > www.fpdc.com > 860-535-2080 (ofc) > > > On May 28, 2014, at 10:17 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Reza, > > > > You don't need an alarm check valve (ACV). A riser consists of a > > single control valve, a check valve, a gauge on the system side of the > > check valve (and preferably another on the supply side), a main drain, > > a means to alarm (flow switch), and a means to initiate the alarm. An > > ACV juste incorporates all these in one device. > > > > You should have a check valve, a control valve and a mean to drain the > > floor. You should also have a flow alarm on each floor. > > > > The fire pump needs a jockey and a skid with pump, jockey, and > > controllers is likely to be better and more reliable than a field built > set-up. > > > > Sleeping rooms of hotels are always light hazard, as are > > assembly/meeting areas, with service areas being OH1. > > > > Water tank, if you're only concerned with the sprinklers, is the > > density times the design area plus inside hose stream times the > duration. Example: > > (0.1 gpm x 1500 sqft + 150 gpm) x 30 min = 9000 gallons. If your > > potential discharge rate is greater then I'd multiply that plus the > > hose stream times thirty. If you need to consider standpipe > > requirements then that needs to be added. > > > > I'm sure you'll get differing opinions of minimum but under the > > circumstances you describe, especially considering the lack of > > regulation, the available dollars, and the likely quality of > > installation expertise in Iraq.... > > > > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Reza Esmaeili < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > >> Dears All, > >> I know this question may be very cheap, but there is no codes in my > >> country and I have to design a cost effective sprinkler system which > >> just works, I don't need to comply any codes. By the way, I am living > >> in Iraq, I would like to know the most cost-effective sprinkler > >> system that can be designed for a 6 stories hotel/office building > >> which needs about 60 sprinkler heads. > >> - is it accessory to instal a wet alarm valve? Can i delete wet alarm > >> valve and use a control valve with flow switch at each floor? > >> - Can i use only a single electric driven fire pump instead of an > >> expensive complex booster pump set? > >> - What is the minimum water tank size I should consider? > >> > >> Note: The buildings don't have parking lot, so I consider it as a > >> light hazard occupancy (0.1 GPM/ft2 over 1500 ft2). > >> > >> > >> Thanks & Regards, > >> Reza > >> Etalon Security > >> Erbil / Iraq > >> +964 750 961 5318 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink > >> ler.org > > > > > > > > -- > > Ron Greenman > > Instructor > > Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College > > 1101 So. 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