Except the cooler walls probably don't meet the definition for largest room 
because the wall aren't rated for OH (60 min right?).  You probably have an 
argument if the wall don't go to the structure then you are protecting under 
the obstruction so you are showing the most demanding above or below.  I'm 
assuming this is not its own system as well.  If it's its own system then you 
have an argument there as you never have to cross system boundaries. We once 
considered breaking up a small building into several under 1,500 sq.ft. system 
to avoid a tank and pump.  We only considered never executed.   

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-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 12:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Cooler Calc

His stand is that I have one of three options that I have not used:
(1) Density/area curves of Figure 11.2.3.1.1 in accordance with the 
density/area method of 11.2.3.2
(2) The room that creates the greatest demand in accordance with the room 
design method of 11.2.3.3
(3) Special design areas in accordance with 11.2.3.4

Keep in mind that this is a jurisdiction that has told me in the past that you 
can't use the exceptions in 13 (this was before they became part of the body), 
and that they can't use common sense.



Thank You,

Bob Knight, CET III
208-318-3057
www.Firebyknight.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Tim Stone
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Cooler Calc

The Cooler is a closed in room with a space above. You calculate all the heads 
inside the cooler if less than 1500 SF. If the area outside the cooler is fully 
sprinklered then you probably have performed calcs already. I'd ask the AHJ to 
review NFPA 13.

Regards,
G. Tim Stone

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-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 1:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Cooler Calc

I have a 1,392 sf cooler.  I calc'ed the entire area of the cooler and 
submitted.  The AHJ is telling me that I need to calc additional sprinklers at 
the ceiling to have a 1500 sf design area.  I don't think I need to do this, I 
was looking at this as a separate fire area, and I don't see it being much 
different than not adding heads below ducts or other large obstructions.  Do I 
need to calc additional sprinklers at the ceiling for this application?

Thank You,

Bob Knight, CET III
208-318-3057
www.Firebyknight.com





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