Wouldn't be the first time I thought the NFPA interp was wrong and I think that 
again now.

Ron fletcher Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2014, at 4:34 PM, "Steven P. Biship" <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> I actually called NFPA a couple weeks ago for an "unofficial interpretation"
> for this exact subject with regards to ESFR sprinkler installations.  I was
> told that the term "Maximum Ceiling/Roof Height" found in the tables applies
> to the maximum building height of the structure, regardless of the area of
> storage.  I personally don't agree but that was what I was told.
> 
> Steven P. Biship, FPE, CFPS
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Parsley Consulting
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:57 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: ESFR Table 17.2.3.1 NFPA 13 2013
> 
> Greg,
> I would look at the definition of ceiling height in 3.3.3:
> 
>    3.3.3 Ceiling Height. The distance between the floor and the
>    underside of the ceiling above (or roof deck) within the area.
> 
> It would seem to me that this definition backs up the perspective that Ron
> has added.
> 
> Has nothing to do with the roof height, only the height of the ceiling in
> the area of storage.
> 
> If a storage area in a high rise had an 28' ceiling, and yet the building
> was 22 floors high, you certainly would not design based on a 22 story
> "ceiling height."
> 
> Just one perspective.
> *Ken Wagoner, SET
> *Parsley Consulting***
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> Visit our website <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> *** On 8/21/2014 3:46
> PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> I would say the maximum height is meant to apply the area of storage and
> not the maximum height of the entire building. "A.17.2.3 Storage in
> single-story or multistory buildings can be permitted, provided the maximum
> ceiling/roof height as specified in chapter 12 is satisfied for each storage
> area." If there were a high bay above 48' with in racks and the remainder of
> the building was at <40' would you use area density with in racks in the 40'
> area because there are no ESFR's listed for greater than 48'?
>> Ron F
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sprinklerforum 
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
>> Gregg Fontes
>> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:06 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: ESFR Table 17.2.3.1 NFPA 13 2013
>> 
>> A question has come up that in Table 17.2.3.1 the column that states
> Maximum Ceiling/Roof Height applies to the maximum Ceiling/Roof height of
> the building, not the storage area. As an example, if a warehouse has
> cartoned expanded plastics storage to 25' high in a portion of the warehouse
> that has a roof/ceiling height of under 32', but the ridge height of the
> building is 33'-0, they are suggesting that the cartoned expanded plastic
> cannot be stored in the building  because the ridge height (not the area of
> storage) is above 32'.  There reasoning is that the table applies to the
> entire building, not the area of storage.  Therefore if the highest point of
> the building exceeds the list table height, even though the storage area
> roof height is under the table height, the table cannot apply.  Is this a
> correct assumption or is the maximum height meant to apply to the area of
> storage?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Gregg Fontes
>> Cen-Cal Fire Systems, Inc.
>> 209-334-9119
>> 
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