I think you could use it for both but with high-X you'd only be testing proportioning and not coverage, depth, etc. I've only done high-X for the Air Force and the ETL specifically ndicates that containment is not a requirement.
Sent from my iPad Christopher H. Born, P.E. Director, Fire Protection Engineering|Principal Clark Nexsen 4525 Main Street, Suite 1400 Virginia Beach, VA 23462 (757) 455-5800 (757) 961-7933 (direct) (757) 644-8581(mobile) > On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:03 AM, "Cahill, Christopher" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > The test solution is for AFFF not HEF right? > > Chris Cahill > Fire Protection Engineer > Burns & McDonnell > [email protected] > 952-656-3652 Rod DiBona wrote: > Chris, > > Good call on the test solution! I just learned about them a couple of months > ago. We budgeted their product for one that we are doing now. Never used it > before but it looks like a real nice alternative and like you said even more > so for Craig's application. Thanks for thinking about that. > > Rod at Rapid > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Chris Born > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 4:50 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Foam system testing > > I've handled this three ways in the past for AFFF systems. Well actually > four if you go back to the really old days and just let it blow away, > > First, on just about all Navy work the design includes some arrangement of > below ground containment and a diverter valve as Rod described. When the > system discharges the diverter valve operates and the foam solution flows > through the trench drains into the containment. > > Second, I've seen tanker trucks used with hoses and hose monsters from a test > header in the hangar bay. You first would flow just water to get the flow > rate equivalent to what the foam solution flow rate would be, and then you > turn on the foam. > > Finally, I know of at least one company that has a test solution that has > been considered to be environmentally friendly. Equipment is placed in > parallel with the foam tank and the test solution is proportioned in place of > foam concentrate. They have information that substantiates no environmental > impact, but because you are still discharging something the appropriate > authorities still need to approve it without containment. So far I'm not > aware of any projects where there approval wasn't granted. > > Even with the containment as described above I'm an advocate of using the > test solution to avoid having to pump the containment and dispose of the > waste. Given that you have a process structure for which cleaning after an > event is probably some level of effort (as opposed to a hangar where there is > a well defined floor area and you don't have to deal with racks, other > structures, etc,) my recommendation would be a combination of the test > solution and a test header. There would be a valve to the system downstream > of the test header which would be closed. > > I'm not sure it's appropriate for me to "advertise" the company with the test > solution but if you contact me off list I will provide that information. > > Sincerely, > > Sent from my iPad > > Christopher H. Born, P.E. > Director, Fire Protection Engineering|Principal Clark Nexsen > 4525 Main Street, Suite 1400 > Virginia Beach, VA 23462 > (757) 455-5800 > (757) 961-7933 (direct) > (757) 644-8581(mobile) > >> On Mar 11, 2015, at 2:35 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The systems are NFPA 16 foam-water deluge protecting an open process >> structure. >> >> A question was raised with regard to the environmental permit and various >> system discharges to the storm sewer system. The term used was "fire >> testing water". >> >> >> >> Craig L. Prahl >> Fire Protection Group Lead >> CH2MHILL >> Lockwood Greene >> 1500 International Drive >> Spartanburg, SC 29303 >> Direct - 864.599.4102 >> Fax - 864.599.8439 >> CH2MHILL Extension 74102 >> [email protected] >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Rod DiBona >> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 2:04 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: Foam system testing >> >> Craig, >> >> Not really. We usually have a diverter valve that sends the discharge to a >> tank that we have sucked out. I imagine you are well aware of that system >> and it sounds like they don't have this setup. Is this Hi ex foam from >> generators, AFFF with cannons or grate nozzles? >> >> Rod at Rapid >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:29 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Foam system testing >> >> Has anyone had to test a foam sprinkler system where it was required to >> contain the discharge from the test and not let it flow into sewers or other >> site drainage systems? Basically it had to be contained and removed from >> the site? >> >> Craig L. 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