It just became a NON-ISSUE.  As you said, QR is required which is explicitly 
forbidden above drop-out ceilings.  Educate the architect and ask what other 
bright ideas they have to ruin your day.

Roland

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> On Apr 6, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Travis Mack <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> This is getting crazier as it goes along.  The building was originally 
> designed as light hazard and to be offices only on the lower level.  Now they 
> want to bring in a restaurant.  So, there are some issues with ordinary 
> hazard coming in to play.
> 
> Also, these ceiling tiles will be above the restaurant seating area which is 
> light hazard, so we have to put QR in the area to be in compliance with NFPA 
> 13.  The sprinkler contractor is trying to get them to forego the idea of the 
> drop out ceilings.  It is still all in flux right now.
> 
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> On 4/6/2015 9:10 AM, Roland Huggins wrote:
>> I would not jump to the conclusion that you have to change to a higher temp 
>> rating.  Must confess, I’ve seen only one drop-out ceiling (well 80% 
>> drop-out since 8 or 10 standard ceiling tiles had been installed long after 
>> the initial installation) and this issue has never come up in the last 20 
>> years.
>> 
>> Even at a slightly higher temp rating, the ceiling is still exposed first 
>> and not sure how much heat gets past it before it drops out.  Any idea 
>> what's the ceiling RTI rating - lol.
>> 
>> What does the manufacturer data sheet say?  A quick search shows the UL 
>> certification is based on SR sprinklers with a 165 F rating.
>> 
>> A bigger first question is what is the occupancy classification so as to 
>> ensure that SR sprinklers are acceptable.  Can not use QR or EC above these 
>> ceilings (13:8.15.15.2).
>> 
>> Roland
>> 
>> 
>> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
>> American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
>> Dallas, TX
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Travis Mack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is anyone running into these things lately? How are you handling them?
>>> 
>>> I have never really been a fan of these things. A customer has a job where 
>>> the builder is wanting to use these tiles to eliminate the need for 
>>> sprinklers at the ceiling. We did the shell space and there are 155 degree 
>>> uprights at the deck. This is 1st floor of a 4 story building.
>>> 
>>> The tiles are rated at 165f. The sprinklers will have to be changed to 200F 
>>> so the sprinklers will activate after the tiles fall.
>>> 
>>> What is your thoughts on these things?
>>> 
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