Yes. They are more than 70% open.

As someone said earlier, I have seen this in the past and it was fire treated wood. However, in this case, it is not for some reason.

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On 5/6/2015 11:52 AM, Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo wrote:
T-Mack,
My opinion is that you may use 225 sq ft for your spacing here: Combustible 
Unobstructed, exposed members 3 ft or more on center (your exposed wood members 
are infinity apart).  Your open truss members are: A) not combustible, and B) 
they do channel heat (please tell me they are at least 70% open. that can be 
the catch here)
It should be recognized that the above is my opinion as a member of the NFPA, 
and has not been processed as a formal interpretation in accordance with the 
NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects and should therefore not be 
considered, nor relied upon, as the official position of the the NFPA, nor any 
of their technical committees.

Sincerely,


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Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 11:41:47 -0700
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Subject: Re: Attic

That would be my thoughts as well, but there doesn't appear to be
wording in the standard that indicates such.  Therefore, I will have to
defer to the letter of the standard and stick with 130 max spacing.

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On 5/6/2015 11:19 AM, Brad Casterline wrote:
Unobstructed means just that.
Noncomb. members means no closley spaced, light, fast burning 'kindling'.
I would vote 225 sf max if my vote counted.

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That makes sense. I was grabbing for straws. Customer missed it because of
steel framing. Didn't catch plywood sheathing. I was hoping to be able to
help cut down sprinkler count.

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On May 6, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Eric V. Tysinger <[email protected]> wrote:

I would think that the spacing of the members is addressed as potential
obstructions. Less than 3' means there are more members between each
sprinkler, so the maximum spacing is reduced to lessen the number of
obstructions. I don't think the combustibility of the members plays a part.
The table only cares if it is non-combustible or combustible construction,
obstructed or unobstructed, and the spacing of the members.

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That was my question. Does the non combustible framing members modify
that, or allow for any changes? I am aware of using that for combustible
members.
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On May 6, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Eric V. Tysinger <[email protected]> wrote:

Wouldn't table 8.6.2.2.1(a) indicate 130sqft max?

Combustible, Unobstructed, with exposed members less than 3'-0 on center.




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It is not fire treated. I already tried that route. I feel like 225 would
be acceptable. Which also begs the question, would ex cov be acceptable? It
is unobstructed construction. I believe the ex cov sprinklers are allowed
for unobstructed combustible.
Just a rare situation.

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On May 6, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Todd - Work <[email protected]> wrote:

Good question. I think you could go to 225, but the Book doesn't
address it. I assume the plywood is not fire treated? Most of the
times I see this arrangement, the plywood is treated.

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For an attic with light gauge steel trusses spaced 24" on center and
plywood deck sheathing, would the spacing be limited to 130 sq ft or
would 225 be acceptable? Slope is 3:12.

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