Steve, California already has their universal ordinance requiring sprinklers. Modification to provide better protection is then a good idea. But what if that 5gpm generally requires a larger meter where the water purveyor is still charging commercial meter rates and the bill goes up bunches? There's a jurisdiction here that decided that garages need sprinkle ring and without guidelines went to 13. Residential garages now need to be sprinklered there as if they were S2 occupancies as an Ord 1 hazard. Better heat the thing too so you don't need a dry system. This does not help get a statewide ordinance passed.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It's a universal requirement in CA. Code amendments ... > > Steve > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> > Date: 08/03/2015 10:24 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Old dog, new tricks? > > Not required at all by 13D as far as I know. This seems to be another one > where the local AHJ is making things up based on a hunch. Although adding a > 10% cushion, 5gpm for domestic, heads in an attic or garage might be better > fire protection, particularly for property protection, adding cost to13D > systems defeats the purpose of 13D, which is to provide an adequate degree > of survivability for a few extra minutes for people, not the building at a > minima cost. It's hard enough to convince legislative bodies that these > systems are a good investment without adding things that are unnecessary. > AHJs are supposed to alter basic requirements, where they are allowed to do > so, based on special jurisdictional needs. I doubt that this particular > community has something going on that suggests domestic usage is so much > higher than average that people will die unless a domestic demand is > included in the calcs. > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Only in certain jurisdictions where they require we add 5gpm, or where we > > have a duplex. > > > > Travis Mack, SET > > MFP Design, LLC > > 2508 E Lodgepole Drive > > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > > 480-505-9271 > > fax: 866-430-6107 > > email:[email protected] > > > > http://www.mfpdesign.com > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 > > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > > > > > > On 8/3/2015 8:32 AM, Vince Sabolik wrote: > > > >> Does anyone account for domestic water use > >> in calculations for a typical 13D one family system? > >> > >> Curious + woof! > >> > >> > >> thanks, Vince > >> > >> > >> > >> West Tech Fire Protection, Inc. > >> 11351 Pearl Road / Strongsville, Ohio 44136 > >> Phone 440 238-4800 Fax 440 238-4876 Cell 440 724-7601 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. Yakima Ave. > Tacoma, WA 98405 > > [email protected] > > http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ > > 253.680.7346 > 253.576.9700 (cell) > > Member: > ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC > > They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, > essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) > > A problem well stated is a problem half solved. -Charles F. Kettering, > inventor and engineer (1876-1958) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) A problem well stated is a problem half solved. -Charles F. Kettering, inventor and engineer (1876-1958) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
