True, and good words Jeff. Also true and sad is that sprinklers alone might not have saved but a few more lives-- but they would have saved more property and probably prevented the roof collapse. I'm amazed and thank God no fire fighters or other first responders were not killed or injured. Sprinklers can't do it all every time, and when the stairs to the highest area of the space are wood pallets, we are asking to much of them re life safety.
B On Dec 5, 2016 7:01 PM, "Jeff Bridges" <[email protected]> wrote: > FYI Oakland was an *unsprinklered *structure……. > > Sadly 36+ lives were lost in modern America in a dry old warehouse used > for an unintended purpose. > > We all need to remind loved ones especially during the holiday season with > large gatherings to be aware of their surroundings. > > > > Jeff Bridges > > *JBFP Inc* > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org] *On Behalf Of *Brad Casterline > *Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2016 4:38 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: College Lab Classrooms > > > > And why stop at LABS? > How about ART ROOMS? > as the recent horrific and disgusting tragedy in Oakland reveals. > If it's Contents that determine LH vs OH, what about the glues and paints > and paper mache and fabrics and all the other organic materials piled up > and strewn about? > > Brad > > On Dec 5, 2016 6:05 PM, "Brad Casterline" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry Bill I couldn't help it- it's more like I harp on this- but not as > often > anymore, and thanks to Larry I'm sure I'm not the only one whom cracked > open NFPA 45 for the first time today and found some numbers relating to > common 13 hazard classifications. > > Hey Larry, when are you guys going to stop adding stuff to 13 (2016)? > > Regards, > Surely > > On Dec 5, 2016 9:54 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Surely you jest. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Brad Casterline" <[email protected]> > *To: *"sprinklerforum" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Monday, December 5, 2016 10:47:57 AM > *Subject: *RE: College Lab Classrooms > > > > that's easy to answer! > > From NFPA 13 (most editions for years): > > > > *5.2* Light Hazard Occupancies. *Light hazard occupancies shall > > be defined as occupancies or portions of other occupancies > > where the quantity and/or combustibility of contents is low and > > fires with relatively low rates of heat release are expected. > > *5.3* Ordinary Hazard Occupancies.* > > *5.3.1* Ordinary Hazard (Group 1).* > > *5.3.1.1 *Ordinary hazard (Group 1) occupancies shall be defined > > as occupancies or portions of other occupancies where > > combustibility is low, quantity of combustibles is moderate, > > stockpiles of combustibles do not exceed 8 ft (2.4 m), and fires > > with moderate rates of heat release are expected. > > *5.3.1.2 *Dedicated and miscellaneous storage shall be protected > > in accordance with Chapter 12 and Chapter 13 as applicable. > > *5.3.2* Ordinary Hazard (Group 2).* > > *5.3.2.1 *Ordinary hazard (Group 2) occupancies shall be defined > > as occupancies or portions of other occupancies where the > > quantity and combustibility of contents are moderate to high, > > stockpiles of contents with moderate rates of heat release do not > > exceed 12 ft (3.66 m), and stockpiles of contents with high rates > > of heat release do not exceed 8 ft (2.4 m). > > *5.3.2.2 *Dedicated and miscellaneous storage shall be protected > > in accordance with Chapter 12 and Chapter 13 as applicable. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org] *On Behalf Of *[email protected] > *Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2016 9:36 AM > *To:* sprinklerforum > *Subject:* College Lab Classrooms > > > > Quick question. > > College Lab classrooms. Light or Ordinary hazard? > > > > Bill Menster > WFM Consulting Inc. > 2416 Malaya Ct. > Punta Gorda, FL 33983 > ph. 941-421-9786 <(941)%20421-9786> > fax 941-391-6133 <(941)%20391-6133> > [email protected] > www.wfmconsultinginc.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > >
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