I’ve had someone else make a statement that sprinklers wouldn’t have helped due 
to the fuel loading.  I reminded them that we design sprinklers for conditions 
where the fuel loading is FAR beyond what was represented in that building and 
that even an under-designed sprinkler system could have made a difference in 
the outcome.


Craig L. Prahl
Fire Protection Group Lead/SME
CH2M
200 Verdae Blvd.
Greenville, SC  29607
Direct - 864.920.7540
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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 1:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Ghostship Fire [EXTERNAL]

I’d like to open a separate thread on this topic and address a comment made 
yesterday that, “… sprinklers alone might not have saved but a few more lives – 
but they would have saved more property and probably prevented the roof 
collapse.”     I fundamentally disagree with that statement but also want to 
emphasize that the failures here were of process and gross negligence by the 
building owner.   In summary, a commercial building was illegally converted 
from commercial/industrial/storage to a live/work occupancy.   To date, no 
exact timeline has been proffered for when the first artists-in-residence moved 
in, but there are anecdotal reports of parties occurring at this property at 18 
months ago.   There were complaints filed against the property in 2014 for 
blight and accumulated debris, so the live/work use is likely more than two 
years old.  The last permitted use was as a warehouse and the owner allegedly 
made statements of intent to turn it into a recycling center.   As recently as 
11/14/16 an inspector was at the property in response to a complaint but city 
officials say he couldn’t access the building.   There is an open investigation 
pursuant to that attempt to inspect.

The building as stuffed full of combustible furnishings but if you look at the 
photos that are circulating on line, it’s mostly wood and textiles and things 
that would normally be found in a residence or an artist’s studio.  Such items 
are highly combustible but burn at low temperatures and would be classified as 
Class I or Class II commodities – not profoundly hazardous.  Photos of the 
interiors and debris pile show lots of clutter, but not concentrated amounts of 
flammable/combustible liquids.   So, for a live/work loft environment, the 
place may not have been overloaded and the photos I’ve seen remind me of many 
of the antiques barns and malls I’ve visited.    To say that sprinklers would 
or might not have saved more than a few lives is misleading and leaves the 
conversation open to haters and opponents of residential sprinkler 
requirements.  Standard spray sprinklers would almost certainly have 
controlled, suppressed, even extinguished a fire with this type of fire load, 
had they been installed.   The issues of adequate egress and structural 
integrity of the mezzanine would be moot, because had the building been 
permitted and legally re-classified, then such conditions would not have been 
present and sprinklers would have been.   But it’s not just that the artist 
colony wasn’t permitted or sprinklered; even if that had been done, they were 
still having illegal A-occupancy events.

As it stands, the owner of the building and the promoter/manager of the 
Ghostship community are toast.   36 counts of negligent homicide are a good 
place to start.   Code violations, endangerment, fraud …  I’m sure a creative 
DA can stack charges against them worth 2 or 3 life sentences.   And the civil 
litigation will be breathtaking; their personal and professional wealth will be 
wiped out and their insurance companies taxed to the limits of coverage and 
likely beyond.   The building and fire officials will be grilled as to why 
these conditions were still in place after multiple complaints.  When – if ever 
– were inspections done at or inside the property?  What did they know and when 
did they know it?   Politicians and community leaders will express outrage and, 
as with the Station Nightclub fire, there will be a push to tighten enforcement 
and get sprinklers into buildings where change of use and occupancy are planned 
or have been undertaken, with and without permits.   This is also a good time 
to encourage members of our communities to be vigilant, in the same way our 
government has asked us to be wary of potentially unhinged people:  If you see 
something, say something.     Tell your kids, if you go into a building and it 
looks unsafe, turn your asses around and get out.   My kids and employees have 
all heard that speech several times now.

But to be clear:  FIRE SPRINKLERS WOULD HAVE STOPPED THAT FIRE BEFORE IT SPREAD 
FROM ITS POINT OF ORIGIN.


Standing down from my soapbox,
Steve L.


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