As per 8.15.23.3 and 8.15.23.3.1, the sprinklers are to be extended above the 
office ceiling a for distance equal to 0.6 times the square root of the design 
area, but a minimum of 24 ft.

To my way of thinking, this means that the density out in the warehouse is to 
be extended over the office that far, which means that the k-factor should be 
the same as that of the warehouse sprinklers.

Larry Keeping

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Subject: RE: different k-factors in same area

Ok, so I go back to my previous post.

If it's just a suspended ceiling and there no combustibles above, no platforms, 
etc., you should be good with extending the whse roof sprinklers 15 ft beyond 
the half wall into the ceiling space above the office as noted in the NFPA 
excerpt I quoted earlier.

FYI, this is predicated upon the space above the office not being able to be 
used in any way for storage or any fuel fired equipment platforms.




Craig L. Prahl
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Subject: RE: different k-factors in same area [EXTERNAL]

What is the height of the warehouse roof/ceiling? 40'
What is the height of the half wall? 28'
What is the height of the office ceiling? 14'
Is the space above the office ceiling walled off from the warehouse? no




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Subject: RE: different k-factors in same area

Another case of where more info helps drive the answers.

What is the height of the warehouse roof/ceiling?
What is the height of the half wall?
What is the height of the office ceiling?
Is the space above the office ceiling walled off from the warehouse?


Craig L. Prahl
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CH2M
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Greenville, SC  29607
Direct - 864.920.7540
Fax - 864.920.7129
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Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 8:58 AM
To: 
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Subject: different k-factors in same area [EXTERNAL]

I have a half-wall that separates an office area from a warehouse area. The 
design is for K factors of 8.0 inside warehouse area, and 5.6 inside office 
area. But since the halfwall doesn't reach the deck the area above the office 
area protected from the ceiling  must have same k-factor as warehouse correct? 
Can anyone point that out in NFPA 13 as a code reference?



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