The sprinklers in the yoga studio are ordinary temperature. The panels in the center are suspended and the ones toward the outside walls mounted on the joists. Exposed wood frame pitched roof. So far, no problems. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080) (ofc) 860-553-3553 (tel:860-553-3553) (fax) 860-608-4559 (tel:860-608-4559) (cell)
> > On Aug 28, 2017 at 10:28 AM, <Kyle.Montgomery > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > And the radiant heaters are typically mounted below the sprinklers, with a > “heat shield” that reflects the heat down towards the occupants. This came up > recently on an ESFR building (where intermediate temp is the highest we could > go) and the mechanical guys weren’t concerned at all about the heat operating > a sprinkler. Now, because of the obstruction rules with ESFR, they were > forced to be a little farther away from us than they would be for standard > sprinklers, so that helped as well. > > > > > > > > Of course, in Phoenix they won’t even be thinking of turning these on until > Christmas, so I should know by New Year’s if there is an issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:06 PM > To: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Radiant heat panels > > > > > > > > > > > Radiant heat heats objects not air. If the sprinkler is in the path of the > infrared, it may be an issue. The yoga studio I go to has radiant ceiling > panels that heat the room up to 90 degrees plus. I believe the sprinklers are > ordinary temperature, but I will check when I am over there next > > > > > > > > Todd G Williams, PE > > > > > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > > > > > > Stonington, CT > > > > > > 860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080) (ofc) > > > > > > 860-553-3553 (tel:860-553-3553) (fax) > > > > > > 860-608-4559 (tel:860-608-4559) (cell) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 24, 2017 at 5:11 PM, <Roland Huggins > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What Joe said. Normal separation distances are based on convection (aka > > air flow) whereas panels operate by radiant heat exchange that can extend > > long distances. Case in point, big box stores often have them at the > > entrance where they are 20 ft in the air but yet it still feels nice and > > toasty on the floor beneath it. I must confess this issue has never > > popped up before so I don’t have a definitive answer for you. Let us > > know what the mfg says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering > > > > > > > > American Fire Sprinkler Assn. > > > > > > > > Dallas, TX > > > > > > > > http://www.firesprinkler.org (http://www.firesprinkler.org/) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 24, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Joe Burtell <[email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would get the manufacturers data sheet. It should have a side profile > > > with the heat zones shown so you can see what the temps are and how far > > > out and above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <image001.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > > Phone | Fax | Mobile| Text 406-545-0784 (tel:++1-406-545-0784) > > > > > > > > > > > > 116 N. 11th Street | Billings, MT 59101 > > > > > > > > > > > > Email: [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > > > > > Web Site: http://www.burtellfire.com (http://www.burtellfire.com/) > > > > > > > > > > > > NOTICE: The information contained in this e-mail transmission is > > > intended only for use of the individual or entity named above. 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I told my designer to treat them > > > > as a horizontal discharge diffuser for right now but wanted to see if > > > > there was more information available. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dewayne Martinez > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fire Protection Design Manager > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TOTAL Mechanical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BuildingIntegrity > > > > W234 N2830 Paul Rd. > > > > Pewaukee, WI 53072 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ph: 262-522-7110 (tel:(262)%20522-7110) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cell: 414-406-5208 (tel:(414)%20406-5208) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.total-mechanical.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <image001.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing > > list [email protected] > > (mailto:[email protected]) > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >
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