Yeah, I was looking in an older version of NFPA 14. That figure in the new 
version really clears it up.

Thanks guys.

Kyle Montgomery
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Aero Automatic Sprinkler Co.
21605 N. Central Ave.
Phoenix, AZ 85024
Direct: 623.580.7820
Cell: 602.763.4736
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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Pete Schwab
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 10:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Hose Valves at Horizontal Exits

Steve makes a good point. Look at the 2016 edition annex figure. The one in the 
2013 edition is wrong.

The foregoing is my opinion only and is not intended to represent the NFPA 14 
Technical Committee, nor serve as an interpretation of the standard.


Peter Schwab
VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies

Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc.
222 Capitol Court
Ocoee, Fl 34761

Mobile: (407) 468-8248
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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 1:31 PM
To: 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Hose Valves at Horizontal Exits

Each side is evaluated independently of the other, so in order to omit both 
valves you need two conforming stairs, one on each side of the fire area 
separation wall.   Also, be sure to carefully review Fig. A.7.3.2.2.1 (NFPA 14, 
2016 ed.) as it gives a clear illustration of the intent of this exception.   
If you have a stairwell standpipe connection that enables you to reach the 
entire floor on one side of a horizontal exit within the 130' threshold, then 
you can omit the valve on the OTHER side of the exit (the one in the adjacent 
fire area).

The foregoing is my opinion only and is not intended to represent the NFPA 14 
Technical Committee, nor serve as an interpretation of the standard.

Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA





From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 10:27 AM
To: 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Hose Valves at Horizontal Exits

IFC 905.4 states that hose connections shall be provided on each side of the 
wall adjacent to horizontal exits, except where there is an exit stairway 
located within 130 feet (100' of hose + 30' of stream).

In order to omit hose connections from both sides of the horizontal exit, am I 
required to have two exit stairs (one in each fire area) located within 130 
feet of the horizontal exit, reachable from both sides? Or is any one exit 
stairway within 130 feet of the horizontal exit OK?

Kyle Montgomery
 [cid:[email protected]]
Aero Automatic Sprinkler Co.
21605 N. Central Ave.
Phoenix, AZ 85024
Direct: 623.580.7820
Cell: 602.763.4736
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