Item #3 says the source can be determined by the AHJ. Couldn't this arrangement (dry valve) be provided and then the water supply (pumper connection) be approved by said AHJ? Weird,but possible?
Gary Stites On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Kyle.Montgomery <[email protected]> wrote: > This actually does make a lot of sense. Maybe that is even what the City > of Orlando intended when they wrote the code. > > > > Couldn’t you just have supervisory air for that though, without actually > being connected to a water supply with a dry pipe valve? > > > > -Kyle M > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org] *On Behalf Of *Taylor Schumacher > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 3:43 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: Dry automatic standpipe without a pump > > > > Definition/classification aside, I imagine the owner wants the connection > to the water supply so as to monitor the integrity of the standpipe in case > some brass bandit decided the hose valves had to be theirs or someone > crashed into the piping and left it unusable. > > > > *-Taylor Schumacher* > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ron > Greenman > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 3:49 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Dry automatic standpipe without a pump > > > > Doesn’t the addition requiring all Class I systems to have 2 ½” x 1 ½” > reducers effectively turn it into a Class III? That is if I presume it to > mean valves. > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:33 PM Steve Leyton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > How do you infer that? > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org] *On Behalf Of *Kyle.Montgomery > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 1:29 PM > > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Dry automatic standpipe without a pump > > > > That amendment seems to be poorly-worded as well. Do they allow Manual Wet > standpipes in conditions that aren’t subject to freezing? Or do they > prohibit all types of manual standpipes (wet or dry)? > > > > Reading between the lines a little, it does look like Orlando requires > AUTOMATIC standpipes, regardless, and thus Sean is dealing with a system > that would already be out of compliance. Fun! > > > > -Kyle M > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Pete > Schwab > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 2:06 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: Dry automatic standpipe without a pump > > > > All > > This is located in the City of Orlando. Although I believe it would never > freeze and if it did I would have to move to San Diego, Orlando has some > very specific rules that really don’t make sense but they are there. It is > based on the fact that we will have temperatures below 40 degrees which > violates NFPA. They have a local fire code (Chapter 24). See 24.27. They > require a dry valve. In addition they prohibit manual dry standpipes. So I > call this an standpipe with an inadequate automatic supply. My opinion is > wet would not freeze but this is an adopted ordinance so we follow it. > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Schwab > > VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies > > > > Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. > > 222 Capitol Court > > Ocoee, Fl 34761 > > > > *Mobile: (407) 468-8248 <(407)%20468-8248>* > > Direct: (407) 877-5570 > > Fax: (407) 656-8026 > > > > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1c_60jlhQXImGS0x8UN3GT53YFZhQ1WLy > -LUp-Yr2mobn5JVTu_fkt-rhwwpp_JM7PlRmdLvVJ_jq1L5aA5bUDrdDxNevE6D8ALzDi6eZ > K1-0CVhw7v74h57HJCR5jIaFtaTqiEiLudwbt1ZWyvQxp0vYo_LA8jYOjc4IiMKwQDQcl00- > 7Ub2pDdhmoZ2_VGGSkskt5XVeg-JOwQoinVwBq4N0dz03DkF2iE52MM- > L97waDu5RUA6GCpT0idcC_Ky/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.waynefire.com > <http://secure-web.cisco.com/1xdYrvXLkNDQOZvNvpmzAcxE008RGeIyJJvrNLi59lYkg_rkehOQHlhgjescS7gK-7sPu6_XI7Js0EWg682gaC092nkE7u-pNz5-a2id8eQEpV8dQcZkz06BU3PgSprAZfHC-vdl36HOHlXNFn3gPzwsGOzMgggsayASUw4BeQpQIouNqpIbR0KLbXUCzimXLFeLNXwu-HtsLYUBSubBGXpTsZksMNUUhPB76Lf2C9O4QHTAAM-xE9yf2_De9PAgv/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.waynefire.com%2F> > > > > [image: Description: cid:[email protected]] > > > > *I sleep in a sprinklered home, do you? * > > > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *MFP > Design, LLC > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 2:31 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Dry automatic standpipe without a pump > > > > *Definitely don’t let the past description or even system get in the way. > It is what it is. If the original is wrong, the owner can go back and fix > it. But there is no reason to continue an error just because it was done > that way in the past. Those are the most dangerous words in this industry: > “We always did it that way!”* > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Steve > Leyton > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 12:26 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Dry automatic standpipe without a pump > > > > If you let that issue become your issue, then yes that’s the issue. If > the “other contractor” has erroneously or deficiently described or left the > work in place and the owner is relying on that, it should be an issue > between those parties and not you. > > > > In other words, what is an “issue”? > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]. > org <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Sean > Lockyer > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 11:09 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Dry automatic standpipe without a pump > > > > Understood Steve; however, when I say “a pump is needed” I am assuming > that is because they would not be allowed to use the pumper on the fire > truck. However, if this turns out to be, by definition, a manual standpipe > then we would be able to use the pumper and as a result, this issue would > most likely go away. > > > > I guess the issue here is what the original contractor defined as an > automatic and what they defined as a manual. 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