Tone and inflection gets lost in emails.  I see what you were saying Peter.
You were quoting the commentary, not affirming it.  I found the comment on
page 296.  I agree that the lack of protection is worthy of a comment as
stated.  Regardless, the standard acknowledges several places where
sprinkler coverage is not required when it is not practical.  I don't see a
practical solution for piping that would have to be fixed in place while the
commodity moves.  The reasonable degree of protection for life and property
would have to come from the ceiling system.  I am sure there is a situation
that exists somewhere that would make me agree that protection could be
provided but I don't think that it should always be a requirement.  I would
point that AHJ to the word "fixed" and try to have a reasonable discussion.

 


Nick Maneen, SET 

c 704.791.7789

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Larrimer, Peter A
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Protection under bleachers in a Gymnasium

 

Nick,  I think you are disagreeing with the "AHJ" who provided the "Ask the
AHJ" response in the Handbook?  I am not sure what the answer is, but if I
had movable bleachers that reached say 20 -30 feet out, providing one
sprinkler at the "fixed" location not only would be unlikely to throw that
far, but the heat would not necessarily get to the sprinkler when the
bleachers were in use away from the fixed location.  I am inclined to agree
with you that sprinklers would not be practical in this case.    

 

Thanks

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Nick Maneen
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Protection under bleachers in a Gymnasium

 

I disagree with your conclusion.  I agree that if the bleachers are fixed in
place there needs to be protection underneath.  However, where the bleachers
are moveable, protection underneath is not practical.  If one could somehow
orient the sprinkler under the fixed portion so that the spray would reach
the moveable portion, a reasonable effort to do so should be made.  Remember
the purpose of most sprinkler protection is to control the fire, not
completely extinguish and smother.  So in this case I believe that the word
"fixed" is the key word in 8.5.5.3.1.  The same logic applies to elevator
cars. 

 


Nick Maneen, SET 

c 704.791.7789

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Larrimer, Peter A
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Protection under bleachers in a Gymnasium

 

I was doing some research and found this "Ask the AHJ" statement in the 2016
Sprinkler Handbook.

 

Should an authority having jurisdiction reject or comment on a proposed fire
sprinkler system for a

gymnasium where there is no fire sprinkler protection shown under the
bleachers?

 

Yes. Although bleachers are typically moveable, they are a permanent part of
the space and need to

have protection underneath per 8.5.5.3.1 where they are more than 4 ft (1.2
m) wide from the wall when

extended. This is similar in nature to an overhead door obstruction
mentioned in this section.

 

My question is how do you properly provide sprinkler protection under a set
of moveable bleachers?

 

Thanks

 

Peter A. Larrimer, P.E.

Fire Protection Operations Manager

Office of Occupational Safety, Health, and GEMS Programs (10NA8)

Veterans Health Administration

Department of Veterans Affairs

Office/Mobile: (412) 999-1321

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