What are you waiting for..... 1) Request a written Notice of Violation which requires the adopted code citation(s).
2) Review the NOV and determine if code citation is correct, if a) if correct then advise client and comply if b) not correct than; 3) File Notice of Appeal to the respective entity that handles appeals. Argue the incorrect citation demonstrating the correct code section. 4) Alternatively some state agency's have a regulatory bureau that hears complaints about inspectors, but again be certain you are correct else the issue could be sent to the sprinkler contractor licensing board for a compentency hearing. In closing if the client does not want to do this then comply with the notice right or wrong. The power is in the clients hands to uphold the code. Before everyone chimes in I understand the part about not pissing off inspectors but the choice is yours. Last but not least before throwing that rock be sure your house isn't made of glass. John John Drucker Fire & Electrical Subcode Official Borough of Red Bank, NJ Cell/Text 732-904-6823 On May 9, 2018 17:49, "Mark.Phelps" <mphe...@aerofire.com> wrote: I do it for the pure unadulterated sport of it. “For the Love of the Game”. Somehow the thought of getting paid for doing it would make me feel like a pros… well, it just wouldn’t be the same!! ;-) Mark at Aero 602 820-7894 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 2:16 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) Absolutely. What could be a better gig than GETTING PAID to fight with fire officials?? Steve PS: No guarantee of result. Side effects include lingering hard feelings. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Rocci 3 Cetani Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 1:13 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) Steve can I hire you to fight with AHJ’s when I have issues? Rocci Cetani III, CET Senior Designer Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc. 16840 Joleen Way Bldg. 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If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone to arrange for return of the documents. From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 12:00 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) Noooooooooooo!!!! Let’s stop using the word “accessible” in conjunction with T-Bar ceilings. As described in the standard for purposes of determining whether a non-combustible space might require sprinklers or not, the concept of accessible is in the context of occupancy. Is the space accessible FOR OCCUPANCY. Putting your head into an interstitial space most certainly does NOT make it accessible for occupancy. If there’s a suspended, load-bearing platform that you can store or stand on, then it’s accessible. If there’s a heater in that space that’s suspended from the deck, then obviously you can access the equipment for service, but it’s not occupied or accessible in the sense that you would have to fire protect for some other use than “Unused Attic” as it’s described in Chapter 5. That the appliance is gas-fired adds a twist to the conversation, but not so profoundly that a single upright sprinkler at the unit wouldn’t address that concern. Occupancy = fire load. If it doesn’t have measurable fire load, it doesn’t matter if you can “access” it from a ladder. We have to deal with this crap all the time with state agencies here in CA and it’s exhausting … SML From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jay Stough Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 8:25 AM To: Sprinkler Forum Subject: Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) It is accessible thru the suspended ceiling with ladders. Jay Stough NICET IV LAYOUT NICET III ITM On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:04 AM Casey Yardley <cj.yardle...@gmail.com<mailto:cj.yardle...@gmail.com>> wrote: Jay, Are the non combustible concealed spaces readily accessible or no? From: Jay Stough<mailto:jaycs7...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:00 AM To: Sprinkler Forum<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) We are bidding a school gym/locker rooms project that has non-combustible concealed spaces above the ceilings. Most of the HVAC equipment is on the roof, but there is one gas fired unit in that concealed space in one area. I cannot find where I have to install sprinklers in that area due to the unit, but it does not feel right eliminating them. If I put sprinklers above the ceiling in this area, it would still be about half the building. I know I am missing something in 8.15, so can anyone help? Thanks! 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