I agree about being accessable thru ceilings. I just mentioned it as to describe what it is: not a mezzanine or deck area above the ceiling. I agree with the single (or two) sprinklers at the unit idea, was just looking for some backup. As said before, the information from this group, more than pays for the cost of AFSA membership! *Jay Stough* NICET IV LAYOUT NICET III ITM
On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM Steve Leyton <[email protected]> wrote: > Noooooooooooo!!!! Let’s stop using the word “accessible” in conjunction > with T-Bar ceilings. As described in the standard for purposes of > determining whether a non-combustible space might require sprinklers or > not, the concept of accessible is in the context of occupancy. Is the > space accessible FOR OCCUPANCY. Putting your head into an interstitial > space most certainly does NOT make it accessible for occupancy. If there’s > a suspended, load-bearing platform that you can store or stand on, then > it’s accessible. If there’s a heater in that space that’s suspended from > the deck, then obviously you can access the equipment for service, but it’s > not occupied or accessible in the sense that you would have to fire protect > for some other use than “Unused Attic” as it’s described in Chapter 5. > That the appliance is gas-fired adds a twist to the conversation, but not > so profoundly that a single upright sprinkler at the unit wouldn’t address > that concern. > > > > Occupancy = fire load. If it doesn’t have measurable fire load, it > doesn’t matter if you can “access” it from a ladder. We have to deal with > this crap all the time with state agencies here in CA and it’s exhausting … > > > SML > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jay Stough > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2018 8:25 AM > *To:* Sprinkler Forum > *Subject:* Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) > > > > It is accessible thru the suspended ceiling with ladders. > > *Jay Stough* > > NICET IV LAYOUT > > NICET III ITM > > > > > > On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 11:04 AM Casey Yardley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Jay, > > > > Are the non combustible concealed spaces readily accessible or no? > > > > > > > > *From: *Jay Stough <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:00 AM > *To: *Sprinkler Forum <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) > > > > We are bidding a school gym/locker rooms project that has non-combustible > concealed spaces above the ceilings. Most of the HVAC equipment is on the > roof, but there is one gas fired unit in that concealed space in one area. > I cannot find where I have to install sprinklers in that area due to the > unit, but it does not feel right eliminating them. If I put sprinklers > above the ceiling in this area, it would still be about half the building. > I know I am missing something in 8.15, so can anyone help? Thanks! > > > *Jay Stough* > > NICET IV LAYOUT > > NICET III ITM > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >
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