I don’t know if “trying it out” is the ideal option, but if the vents can be 
adjusted, it might be possible to get the system set up where the water filled 
the system at a rate that was fast enough, but also had a tolerable water 
hammer. Or maybe some commercial water hammer arresters could be added?

I don’t know of any non-theoretical calc methods for designing it though.

Matt


From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf 
Of Prahl, Craig/GVL
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:13 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water hammer in Dry or deluge systems

Yes, there will be air vents on the system.  The FD had concerns on how fast 
water would get to the valves due to trapped air in the system.

Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> | 
www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/>

From: Sprinklerforum 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
 On Behalf Of Matt Grise
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 10:11 AM
To: 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Water hammer in Dry or deluge systems

Is the system vented? I imagine that the ability of the air to escape the 
system would also affect how fast the water gets moving.

Matt


From: Sprinklerforum 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
 On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:00 AM
To: 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Water hammer in Dry or deluge systems

So, I’ve got an FPE and ME questioning about water hammer in a deluge system.

We have a unique installation where we have two levels of hose connections (one 
array at 12 ft AFF and one at 60 ft AFF) for manual firefighting in an 
unconditioned assembly building which is 145 ft high.

Due to the non-heated condition, one proposed concept for a semi-automatic 
system is to use an electric release deluge valve to charge the system from 
manual pull stations.

Flow rate will be 1,000 gpm at somewhere near 150ish psi though 600-800 ft of 
pipe inside the bldg.

The FPE and ME are concerned with water hammer in the piping when the deluge 
valve opens based on how fast the valve opens.

Has anyone dealt with or had to provide calcs for this?  NFPA 13, 14, etc. are 
fairly silent on the issue.  Is it even an issue?  I’ve never had this brought 
up before on an interior system.

Anyone have any data on how fast a solenoid operated deluge valve opens?

Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> | 
www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/>


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